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		<title>By: Harry Loker</title>
		<link>http://andreaskluth.org/2008/08/14/about-hannibals-elephants/#comment-10643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Loker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see; i incorrectly presumed he hired some kind of mercanaries from Italy; and that his &#039;march&#039; was not halted as he passed through Italy; would he have had to wait for reinforcements to arrive? Another issue that confuses me, why did he not just transport his troops by boat? Some argue it was because the elephants are obviously not suited to water, but surely he could have trained them for boats as he did for war? I do not see this as a plausable explantion. Thanks again :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see; i incorrectly presumed he hired some kind of mercanaries from Italy; and that his &#8216;march&#8217; was not halted as he passed through Italy; would he have had to wait for reinforcements to arrive? Another issue that confuses me, why did he not just transport his troops by boat? Some argue it was because the elephants are obviously not suited to water, but surely he could have trained them for boats as he did for war? I do not see this as a plausable explantion. Thanks again <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Kluth</title>
		<link>http://andreaskluth.org/2008/08/14/about-hannibals-elephants/#comment-10625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Kluth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Harry, 
I discuss that in &lt;a href=&quot;/2011/03/07/my-elephantine-mistake/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;. He aparently used a now-extinct species of forest elephant which at that time roamed around in northern Africa. (But not &quot;African elephants&quot;)

He did, of course, exit in Italy (near today&#039;s Torino), but he had brought all his elephants with him. Then they died. He got one more reinforcement from Carthage in his time Italy, but that was it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry,<br />
I discuss that in <a href="/2011/03/07/my-elephantine-mistake/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. He aparently used a now-extinct species of forest elephant which at that time roamed around in northern Africa. (But not &#8220;African elephants&#8221;)</p>
<p>He did, of course, exit in Italy (near today&#8217;s Torino), but he had brought all his elephants with him. Then they died. He got one more reinforcement from Carthage in his time Italy, but that was it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Loker</title>
		<link>http://andreaskluth.org/2008/08/14/about-hannibals-elephants/#comment-10619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Loker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all of this info, its really helpful; one thing im wondering was the elephants that Hannibal supposedly recruited, would THESE have been African or Indian or whatever? To have passed through the alps would have meant he exited in northern italy, what type of elephants lived there? none to my knowledge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of this info, its really helpful; one thing im wondering was the elephants that Hannibal supposedly recruited, would THESE have been African or Indian or whatever? To have passed through the alps would have meant he exited in northern italy, what type of elephants lived there? none to my knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Kluth</title>
		<link>http://andreaskluth.org/2008/08/14/about-hannibals-elephants/#comment-10267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Kluth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Carolyne. You&#039;re absolutely right. 

I have to update this old post. It looks more and more wrong. I don&#039;t know why Google keeps sending people here. 

Anyway, I do intend to update the post. Do you happen to have the link to that new research that recently came out about the extinct forest species?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Carolyne. You&#8217;re absolutely right. </p>
<p>I have to update this old post. It looks more and more wrong. I don&#8217;t know why Google keeps sending people here. </p>
<p>Anyway, I do intend to update the post. Do you happen to have the link to that new research that recently came out about the extinct forest species?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyne Kershaw</title>
		<link>http://andreaskluth.org/2008/08/14/about-hannibals-elephants/#comment-10266</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 12:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two species of African Elephant, the forest species (recently rediscovered in the Congo) and the bigger Savannah Elephant (the archetypal African Elephant) found in southern and eastern Africa.

The elephants employed by the Carthaginians were primarily of the smaller African species then present in North Africa, though the &#039;Syrian&#039; and perhaps a few others were Indian, sourced somehow from / via the Greek Kingdoms of the eastern Med. / Middle East. 

Hannibal had 37 or 38 elephants with him on his campaign trail from North Africa through Spain, Mediterranean Gaul and the Alps.  Only one survived the first battle at Trebia (the Syrian), the others succumbing to the cold.

The elephants at Zama seem to have been &#039;recruited&#039; and rushed into service without being properly trained and may not have carried &#039;howdah&#039; or fighting towers as shown.  They were deployed not to the flanks of the infantry lines as was the usual prcatice with trained elephants, but placed in front of the infantry battle line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two species of African Elephant, the forest species (recently rediscovered in the Congo) and the bigger Savannah Elephant (the archetypal African Elephant) found in southern and eastern Africa.</p>
<p>The elephants employed by the Carthaginians were primarily of the smaller African species then present in North Africa, though the &#8216;Syrian&#8217; and perhaps a few others were Indian, sourced somehow from / via the Greek Kingdoms of the eastern Med. / Middle East. </p>
<p>Hannibal had 37 or 38 elephants with him on his campaign trail from North Africa through Spain, Mediterranean Gaul and the Alps.  Only one survived the first battle at Trebia (the Syrian), the others succumbing to the cold.</p>
<p>The elephants at Zama seem to have been &#8216;recruited&#8217; and rushed into service without being properly trained and may not have carried &#8216;howdah&#8217; or fighting towers as shown.  They were deployed not to the flanks of the infantry lines as was the usual prcatice with trained elephants, but placed in front of the infantry battle line.</p>
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		<title>By: sifaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it s from north africa ...moors people]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it s from north africa &#8230;moors people</p>
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		<title>By: andreaskluth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool link. Thanks, Jim. Do you also have a link that points to research about these North African Forest elephants?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool link. Thanks, Jim. Do you also have a link that points to research about these North African Forest elephants?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They were an extinct species the North African Forest Elephant.  Which went extinct in the 1st or 2nd century AD.  This might be an interesting link to look at with roman coin celebrating the opening of Colosseum.
thehttp://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=56927.0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were an extinct species the North African Forest Elephant.  Which went extinct in the 1st or 2nd century AD.  This might be an interesting link to look at with roman coin celebrating the opening of Colosseum.<br />
thehttp://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=56927.0</p>
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		<title>By: andreaskluth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thailand has a great elephant tradition. I had a great time riding elephants up in Chiang Mai. But, well, there&#039;s no conveivable way that Hannibal might have got elephants from Thailand to Iberia (Spain).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thailand has a great elephant tradition. I had a great time riding elephants up in Chiang Mai. But, well, there&#8217;s no conveivable way that Hannibal might have got elephants from Thailand to Iberia (Spain).</p>
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		<title>By: strez</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dear mr andre

I think&#039;s that nor from India or africa, might i could adding Persia and thailand. on Thailand that&#039;s we can look until now, so popular with their elephant tradition. love to read your post. Sorry if you could&#039;nt catch what i writted... :)

greetings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr andre</p>
<p>I think&#8217;s that nor from India or africa, might i could adding Persia and thailand. on Thailand that&#8217;s we can look until now, so popular with their elephant tradition. love to read your post. Sorry if you could&#8217;nt catch what i writted&#8230; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>greetings.</p>
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