Comments on: How I came to the Apache http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/ What History’s Greatest Military Strategist Can Teach Us About Success And Failure Mon, 13 May 2013 00:35:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Avital Ronell http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14333 Tue, 22 May 2012 23:25:38 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14333 Here is a scabrous word for although you love alcohol clear praise and rabid self evidency I am condescending to be censored or omitivly pruned by your wicked blog or be treated to a reader who hates meaty engagement and thoughtfulness. Edward Said showed us that what we say about others in our dumb ass books is just as false as what others say about themselves, so that in the end , nobody knows shit. Your quote makes me wonder whether the chief imitates your story books. A legacy-chauvinistic & appallingly racist attitude that sizes up men by their color (“White man”…John Wayne, Jeffrey Amherst? Sterotypes, as science reminds, have a bad name, they are useful,nicht?)coupled with a Manichean ethic (is he good or bad…so pragmatic…)? Pitiably savage, obviously based on historical conditioning, repugnant. Makes you almost admire the destruction of identity in the hyper-modern and meaningless global world. It’s not as if any group, educated in secular schools as ‘Native Americans’ (those strange things) sometimes are or do they (that other kind of animal) keep their children in a state of infantile sequestration from modern science (of course not!), nobody the modern milieu, no matter how artificially guarded, actually has the slightest bit of classically authentic life left in them, what a sad and necessary sham. For stronger reasons African Americans (those creatures of the plantation) should be awarded by their torturers and slavers, instead of jail sentences, fifty thousand a year for life. But if this is considered paternalism then let everyone simply eradicate identity in the manner of a hollowing out of the bullshit instead racism is sold wholesale at the universities as multiculturalism / new age segrigationism. Also you know already how Strindberg denounced your mother magazine about house law.

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14312 Fri, 04 May 2012 13:51:12 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14312 Yup, that’s me, right at the end. ;)

]]> By: Jim M. http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14311 Thu, 03 May 2012 23:26:21 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14311 Your experience with the Apaches notwithstanding, it’s true, isn’t it, that all Economist reporters know how to “blend in,” as Marcus Brody does here:

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14307 Tue, 01 May 2012 14:49:33 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14307 One of my favorite topics: the overextension of, in particular, federal criminal law, federal prosecutors, federal prisons…….

]]> By: Steve Block http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14302 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:34:38 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14302 The growing sovereignty of Native American Tribes has positively affected their people. The corollary is also true-as they have generated political clout, slowly eroding the paternalism of the Federal Government, they have made significant progress (although there is still too much abject poverty).

The irony is that with the current expansion of the Federal Government and belief that the Feds can solve all of our problems with money and endless legislation, we are experiencing social, political and economic devolution across the country. Leave us alone please! I guess it is poetic that we might feel a bit like the Native Americans have felt for years.

The most recent example of the all-knowing and all-fixing Federal Government, is the announcement that the Secret Service will now send chaperones to watch over the agents and make sure they don’t get in trouble. Give me a break.

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14270 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:59:58 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14270 And I was just contemplating visiting the very same spot the other day. Clearly, I should. Thanks, Paul C

]]> By: imagenmots http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14269 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:57:30 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14269 Two years ago, with my wife, I visited the West Rim Hualapai part of the Grand Canyon. Much better than the North Rim National Park. We actually could SEE the river. A few tourists to be sure but we are barely visible in the natural landscape.
A cooperative enterprise, it has created jobs for the Hualapais and economic opportunity. And they make, in Peach Spring their capital, a wonderful chocolate.
Paul C.

]]> By: sledpress http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14251 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:03:44 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14251 I hadn’t thought of it in years. She had a whole book of political cartoons too, published on some small press, lampooning the untrustworthiness of the white man’s dealings with the tribes. I wish I could remember a single one.

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14248 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:08:46 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14248 Darn. If I had known about your “treaty paper” anecdote before publication, I might have used that in my article. ;)

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14247 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:07:42 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14247 I’ve corrected it above. Thanks for fact-checking me.

]]> By: sledpress http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14246 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:11:56 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14246 Well I’m a hobbyist of the Time Between The Wars, and also a devoted reader of Donna Barr’s drawn books (I think it’s in the “Desert Peach” #11 that she includes an American Indian serving in the German army, which I gather actually happened, with some authorial commentary about Winnetou in one edition or another). I’ve known *about* Karl May for decades, though I confess to never having read the books. Always was more of a sci fi than a Western type.

I used to work for a part-Apache (also half Navajo and a quarter Zuni) who scrawled the words “treaty paper” on the wall over the toilet roll in the shop’s bathroom. I thought of her when I got to the description of Chairman Lupe flipping the bird.

]]> By: Cyberquill http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14245 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:20:43 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14245 Well, he didn’t travel until fairly late in his life, by which time his most well-known works had already been published. And his U.S. journey didn’t take him beyond the North-East, i.e., far from any Apache hunting grounds. So for all practical purposes, he had indeed written his most famous stories without ever having been there.

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14241 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:47:49 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14241 Unless you’re German, there was no pressure to know that.

]]> By: Andreas Kluth http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14240 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:46:00 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14240 Well, the White Mountain Apache I visited DID have a ski resort.

You make a fine Apache warrior.

But that’s the first time I hear that May had been to American. His whole mythology is sort of based on NOT ever having been there.

]]> By: sledpress http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14239 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:49:29 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14239 Oh, dear, why did I not figure out Karl May the minute I read that title?

]]> By: Cyberquill http://andreaskluth.org/2012/04/04/how-i-came-to-the-apache/#comment-14238 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:44:07 +0000 http://andreaskluth.org/?p=10227#comment-14238 Winnetou! Yippeee!!! Isn’t it funny how most Americans have never heard of the most famous native American of ‘em all?

That said, I believe Karl May did, in fact, travel to the Middle East (where he reportedly suffered two nervous breakdowns), and he also spent six weeks the New York and MA, the latter experience of which he worked into his lesser known later novel Winnetou IV.

If I were a journalist doing a story on native Americans, I’d focus on the Apaches as well. No doubt about it.

Here’s a Winnetou shot of myself, puffing on my little peace pipe in the living room. (Somewhat uncharacteristically for an Apache warrior, I couldn’t get up because had my right leg in a cast following a skiing accident.)

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