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		<title>Lesson from Athens: Democracy ≠ Freedom</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the recurring themes here on The Hannibal Blog is the tension between two distinct concepts that we (in the West) usually conflate nowadays: 1) democracy and 2) freedom. They often appear together, but they are not the same, and indeed they can on occasion become enemies. America&#8217;s founders understood this, and they distilled this [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=8424&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>One of the recurring themes here on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> is the tension between two distinct concepts that we (in the West) usually conflate nowadays:</p>
<p>1) <a href="/tag/democracy/" target="_blank">democracy</a> and</p>
<p>2) <a href="/tag/freedom/" target="_blank">freedom</a>.</p>
<p>They often appear together, but they are not the same, and indeed they can on occasion become enemies. America&#8217;s founders <a href="/2009/09/20/a-republic-not-a-democracy-james-madison/" target="_blank">understood this</a>, and they distilled this insight in large part from their meticulous study of ancient (Attic and Roman) history.</p>
<p>Athens, as the first and to this day the &#8220;purest&#8221; democracy (James Madison&#8217;s term), offers one lesson about how democracy can threaten freedom: through the &#8220;tyranny of the majority&#8221;. (That is also Madison&#8217;s term, although Madison, with his incredible acuity, foresaw an even greater greater danger from the mixture of democracy with &#8220;factionalism&#8221;, which ancient Athens did not yet have.)</p>
<p>So here are my notes from Bettany Hughes&#8217;s <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hemlock-Cup-Socrates-Athens-Search/dp/1400041791" target="_blank">The Hemlock Cup</a> </em>that pertain to this paradoxical relationship between democracy and freedom in ancient Athens. (<em>The Hemlock Cup</em> is the excellent biography of <a href="/tag/Socrates/" target="_blank">Socrates</a> I recently <a href="/2011/05/22/two-other-takes-on-socrates-a-lesson/" target="_blank">reviewed here</a>.)</p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;font-weight:bold;">1) Ostracism</span></p>
<p>It seems that whenever members of the species Homo Sapiens congregate, the groups they form tend to <em>ostracize</em> individual members. In the context of this dynamic, democracy is merely a way to administer the resulting injustice, as is evident from the word <em>ostracism</em> itself.</p>
<p>The <em>ostraka</em> (see picture above) were shards of pottery which the Athenians used as ballots to vote individual citizens out of their city, ie to exile them. The victims (among them illustrious ones, such as Aristides and Cimon) need not have done anything wrong or bad. It was enough that a plurality (with a minimum of 6,000 votes, according to some sources) were sufficiently pissed off at them.</p>
<p>The exile lasted ten years. Hughes (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; ostracism came to be a handy way of eliminating the unsuccessful, <strong>or unpopularly successful</strong>, individuals. The piles of scratched ostraka in the Agora Museum in Athens are hard evidence of lives ruined; ‘Kallias’ is ostracised in c.450 BC, ‘Hyperbolus’ in 417–15 BC and another ‘Sokrates’, ‘Sokrates Anargyrasios’, in 443 BC&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>An interesting twist is that the practice of ostracism was <em>most popular</em> during Athen&#8217;s most &#8220;enlightened&#8221; period, ie its Periclean Golden Age. Once Athens started losing the war against Sparta and flirted with oligarchic juntas &#8212; roughly from 415 BCE onwards &#8212; the practice gradually disappeared.</p>
<p>As Hughes says (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; shamed by their defeats in war, confused by the freedom their own political system gave them, the Athenians from around 415 BC onwards chose oppression over liberal thinking. After c.415 BC <strong>there was no further need for ostracism – because now the state could harry and censor at will</strong>. Socrates’ death came at the end of more than a decade of intellectual and political persecutions. We must never forget that although Socrates is the most famous victim of Athenian oppression, there would have been scores – perhaps hundreds – more like him whose names have escaped the historical record.</p></blockquote>
<h3>2) Scapegoating</h3>
<p>When something went wrong (plague, defeat, etc), the Athenians also picked some compatriots for permanent expulsion. (The word for such a victim was <em>pharmakos</em>, which is the root of our <em>pharmacy</em>. Go figure.)</p>
<p>This practice subsequently became known as <em>scapegoating</em>.</p>
<p>Scapegoating, democracy and religion formed a potent cocktail of institutions in Athens. Hughes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it was no coincidence that Socrates was killed in May/June – the ancient month of Thargelion. Every year at this time, in an obscure ritual known as the Thargelia, two people – either male and female, or representing the male and the female by wearing a necklace of black and green figs respectively – were exiled from the city as scapegoats. Flogged outside the city walls, their expulsion was a symbolic gesture. The Athenians believed their sacrifice would prevent pollution and stasis from seeping through the city-state.</p></blockquote>
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<h3>3) Demagogy</h3>
<p>Our word <em>democracy</em> (= people <em>power</em>) is closely related to our word <em>demagogy</em> (= people <em>leading</em>). The two concepts were indeed very close in Athens. And the Athenians were quite aware that in a democracy it is not necessarily the best <em>argument</em> that wins, but the best <em>oratory</em>.</p>
<p>Thus Hughes quotes Thucydides (<a href="/2009/08/29/the-rape-of-melos-thucydides-as-great-thinker/">one of my &#8216;great thinkers&#8217;, for his ruthless depiction of Athenian &#8220;realism&#8221;</a>), who reports a speech by one Cleon in the Assembly (emphasis again mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>In <strong>speechifying</strong> competitions of this sort the prizes go to the <strong>spin-doctors</strong> and the state is the loser. The <strong>blame is yours</strong>, for stupidly encouraging these competitive displays … If something is to be done in the future, you weigh it up by hearing a good speech on the subject, and as for the past, you judge it not from your own first-hand, eye-witness experience but from what you hear in some clever bit of rhetoric … You all want to be the first to make a speech, and if you can’t do that, you try to sit there looking as though you are one step ahead of the speaker … you demand changes to the conditions under which you live, and yet have a very dim understanding of the reality of those conditions: you are very slaves to the pleasure of the ear, and more like the audience of a paid public speaker than the council of a city.</p></blockquote>
<h3>4) Leadership</h3>
<p>When democracies are unlucky, they fall prey to demagogues. When they are lucky, they have leaders. Athens, for a while, had such a leader: It was Pericles. Although he was technically no more than one among equals in the Assembly (this was a pure democracy, after all), his opinions held sway.</p>
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<p>Hughes (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>Pericles, because of his position, his intelligence, and his known integrity, could respect the liberty of the people and at the same time hold them in check. It was he who led them, rather than they who led him, and, since he never sought power from any wrong motive, he was under no necessity of flattering them: in fact he was so highly respected that he was able to speak angrily to them and to contradict them. Certainly when he saw that they were going too far in a mood of over-confidence, he would bring back to them a sense of their dangers; and when they were discouraged for no good reason he would restore their confidence. <strong>So, in what was nominally a democracy, power was really in the hands of the first citizen.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h3>5) American parallel: populism vs elitism:</h3>
<p>It is tempting, of course, to compare ancient Athens with America today. Try, for instance, to swap the words America/American with Athens/Athenian in this passage from Hughes:</p>
<blockquote><p>This tension between oligarchs and democrats, between aristocrats and the people, charged Athenian politics and culture, and infected its very atmosphere. And Socrates would be both an exemplar and a victim of Athens’ great dilemma: in a true democracy, where power and responsibility are shared equally amongst all citizens, what is the place not just of the good, but of the very great? &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; Socrates goes further, he suggests that<strong> tyranny is spawned by the liberty of all in the demos</strong>. Here he is the first to suggest that <strong>liberty is an illusion fostered by the great to keep the many happy</strong>. Come then, tell me, dear friend, how tyranny arises. That it is an outgrowth of democracy is fairly plain&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Two other takes on Socrates + a lesson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas Kluth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prostitutes could confidently ply their trade by slipping on customised little hobnail boots and casually strolling up and down the alleyways. In the dust their shoe-nails would spell out akolouthei – ‘this way’, or ‘follow me’. Isn&#8217;t that a great little detail? When strung together densely in one single narrative, these details transport you to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=8421&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Prostitutes could confidently ply their trade by slipping on customised little hobnail boots and casually strolling up and down the alleyways. In the dust their shoe-nails would spell out akolouthei – ‘this way’, or ‘follow me’.</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that a great little detail? When strung together densely in one single narrative, these details transport you to a place and a time, to Athens during the life of Socrates. Kudos to Bettany Hughes for achieving such intensity in <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hemlock-Cup-Socrates-Athens-Search/dp/1400041791" target="_blank">The Hemlock Cup: Socrates, Athens and the Search for the Good Life.</a></em></p>
<p>And oh, what an Athens it was. This is the Athens of aromas and stink; of sweat, blood and sperm; of tanners pissing on their hides and Adonises oiling themselves for war games; of parades, assemblies and battles; of sex, slavery and domesticity; of democratic group-think, individual liberty and massacre; of humanity at its highest and simultaneously its lowest; of strutting health and vile disease.</p>
<p>Regarding disease, for example, is it not obvious that a plague such as the one that fell on war-torn Athens during Socrates&#8217; prime must have influenced the subsequent events and the worldview of Socrates and his compatriots?</p>
<blockquote><p>[W]ithin a year the disease danced its way through the caged population of Athens and across the hot streets; 80,000 died. At a cautious estimate, at least one-third of the city was wiped out. It had started in 431 BC.</p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine one third of Americans, 100 million, dying in one year from a plague.</p>
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<p>But we also need the lighter moments. For example, that time (beloved by artists, as above and below) when Socrates&#8217;s wife doused him with piss:</p>
<blockquote><p>Xanthippe, raging after one argument with her maddening philosopher spouse, pours the contents of a bedpan over Socrates’ head; ‘I always knew that rain would follow thunder,’ sighs the philosopher, resignedly mopping his brow.</p></blockquote>
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<p>So Hughes accomplished something big: She brought that world-historical character, Socrates, to life. It&#8217;s a scandal how dull &#8216;philosophers&#8217; (as opposed to historians) usually make Socrates. We needed this &#8216;biography&#8217;. She makes reading about Socrates easy and fun and personal. That is what I tried to do with Hannibal and the other characters in my own book.</p>
<p>(And, by the way, a reminder: Don&#8217;t ever assume that a thread on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> has ended just because it slumbers for a few months. Both the <a href="/tag/socrates/">series on Socrates</a> and that on <a href="/tag/greatest-thinker/">the Great Thinkers</a> will continue. I have big plans for them.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Examined-Lives-Nietzsche-James-Miller/dp/0374150850"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-8439" title="Examined Lives" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/examined-lives.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Another recent book on Socrates and the great philosophers is <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Examined-Lives-Nietzsche-James-Miller/dp/0374150850" target="_blank">Examined Lives: From Socrates to Nietzsche</a></em> by James Miller. It tackles a selection of thinkers, one per chapter:</p>
<ul>
<li>Socrates</li>
<li>Plato</li>
<li>Diogenes</li>
<li>Aristotle</li>
<li>Seneca</li>
<li>Augustine</li>
<li>Montaigne</li>
<li>Descartes</li>
<li>Rousseau</li>
<li>Kant</li>
<li>Emerson</li>
<li>Nietzsche</li>
</ul>
<p>Since three of my own favorites were on the list, I bought the book. (The three, each with his own tag here on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, are <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>, <a href="/2009/05/06/free-as-diogenes-a-fantasy/">Diogenes</a> and <a href="/tag/nietzsche/">Nietzsche</a>.)</p>
<p>Miller, too, sets out to write a <em>biography </em>(as opposed to a philosophical essay). His conceit, if I may paraphrase it, is to examine the lives of those who examined their lives.</p>
<p>Put differently, he wants to see how various philosophers lived and whether they just &#8216;talked the talk or also walked the walk&#8217;. Did their lives reflect their <em>love of wisdom</em> (= <em>philo-sophy</em>), or where they hypocrites?</p>
<p>Socrates, in this exercise, comes off splendidly. He embodied the love of wisdom and lived accordingly, searching for the good and treasuring simplicity. From Miller:</p>
<blockquote><p>Socrates prided himself on living plainly and “used to say that he most enjoyed the food which was least in need of condiment, and the drink which made him feel the least hankering for some other drink; and that he was nearest to the gods when he had the fewest wants.” &#8230; Abjuring the material trappings of his class, he became notorious for his disdain of worldly goods. “Often when he looked at the multitude of wares exposed for sale, he would say to himself, ‘How many things I can do without!’ ” He took care to exercise regularly, but his appearance was shabby. He expressed no interest in seeing the world at large, leaving the city only to fulfill his military obligations.</p></blockquote>
<p>And, of course, he died for his principles.</p>
<p>Diogenes, <a href="/2009/05/06/free-as-diogenes-a-fantasy/">whom I admire so much</a> for his extreme simplicity/freedom, arguably became the caricature of this Socratic lifestyle:</p>
<blockquote><p>While Diogenes regarded Plato as a hypocrite, Plato saw Diogenes as “a Socrates gone mad”—and by Plato’s standards, he certainly was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Masturbating in public and living in a barrel can give you that kind of reputation.</p>
<p>Plato and Aristotle arguably started that other trend, that of the hypocrite philosopher, talking/writing sophisticated words while, one way or another, selling out in private life. By the time you get to Rousseau, the hypocrisy becomes hard to stomach (I&#8217;ll leave that for another post some day.)</p>
<h3>Storytelling lesson: unity vs fragmentation</h3>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what I was mainly pondering after reading these two books, one after the other. Instead, I was reflecting why one author succeeded in a big way, and the other possibly failed in a small way.</p>
<p>Hughes, in <em>The Hemlock Cup</em>, succeeded big. She tackled an intimidating subject (intimidating because Socrates is not exactly an under-covered subject) in an innovative way and rose to the challenge by presenting one single, unified tale, no part of which a committed reader would dare to omit or skip.</p>
<p>By contrast, Miller, in <em>Examined Lives</em>, put forth a list, then broke his narrative into discrete chapters for each person on the list.</p>
<p>There is a problem with such lists: Why <em>this</em> list, and not some other list? Why Augustine and not Aquinas? Why Descartes and not Spinoza? Why Montaigne and not Montesquieu? Et cetera.</p>
<p>The result is that the reader, as he progresses, is increasingly tempted to skip the chapters that don&#8217;t interest him to speed ahead to those chapters that do interest him. I confess that I did that. Life is short, and I was a bit bored on some pages.</p>
<p>A good author reins in his readers as a charioteer steers his horses. He has readers asking the questions he, the author, is asking, not some other question (such as: where is Hegel?).</p>
<p>What could Miller have done differently? He could have woven the various lives together so that each chapter was about a <em>theme</em>, not an philosopher, and the various philosophers that interest him reappear at the right places.</p>
<h3>My choice</h3>
<p>You should take this with a grain of salt, because I have a reason to be thinking such thoughts.</p>
<p>A few years ago, when I first contemplated the book I wanted to write, I also envisioned it as a collection of chapters about various individuals that interested me (around the theme of <a href="/2008/11/10/kiplings-if/">triumph and disaster being impostors</a>). (Hannibal was to have one chapter, Scipio one, Einstein one, Roosevelt one, et cetera.)</p>
<p>When I pitched that to an agent, he suggested that a better (but also more challenging) book would thread the lives together into one unfolding story, so that readers would not be tempted to disassemble the book and cherry-pick among the chapters. That structure would also force me to do the hard work of actually teasing out the themes concealed in these lives.</p>
<p>I took that advice. You can soon (on January 5th) decide whether I succeeded at it or not. For now, I simply observe with fascination how other authors approach this choice.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toward the end of my three-page article about &#8220;Socrates in America&#8221; in the Christmas issue of The Economist, there are these two lines: Socrates almost certainly was an atheist. As was his wont, however, he cared more about debating, with a man named Euthrypho on the steps of the courthouse before his preliminary hearing, what [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=3936&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Toward the end of <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15108704" target="_blank">my three-page article about &#8220;Socrates in America&#8221;</a> in the Christmas issue of <em>The Economist</em>, there are these two lines:</p>
<blockquote><p>Socrates almost certainly was an atheist. As was his wont, however, he cared more about debating, with a man named Euthrypho on the steps of the courthouse before his preliminary hearing, what piety even meant.</p></blockquote>
<p>(This refers to one of the two charges against Socrates at his trial, which was disbelief in/disrespect for &#8220;the gods of the city.&#8221;)</p>
<p>By the placement of these lines, and by the word count I devoted to them (1% of the total words in the article), readers should be able to tell how interested I, as the writer, was in this particular point.</p>
<p>Ie, not very.</p>
<p>To quote I.F. Stone in <em>The Trial of Socrates</em> on the matter:</p>
<blockquote><p>It was the political, not the philosophical or theological, views of Socrates which finally got him into trouble. The discussion of his religious views diverts attention from the real issues&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>But I should have known better. After all, the word <em>atheism</em> appears!</p>
<p>It is a word that makes many people, but Americans in particular, go ballistic. Indeed, it is something of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_test" target="_blank">Rorschach test</a>: Mention it, and people immediately project their ideas, fears, and beliefs into the conversation. Whatever the conversation <em>was</em> about, it is now about something else.</p>
<h2>Readers react</h2>
<p>One of the online commenters, somebody named &#8220;RPB2&#8243;, <a href="http://www.economist.com/comment/439325#comment-439325" target="_blank">tries to refute the possibility</a> that Socrates was atheist by quoting him (presumably from English translations). Thus Socrates says in the <em>Apology</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>For I do believe that there are gods and in a far higher sense than any of my accusers believe in them. And to you and to God I commit my cause, to be determined by you as is best for you and me.</p></blockquote>
<p>And in the <em>Phaedo</em>, he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this present life I believe that we most nearly approach knowledge when we have the least possible bodily concerns and are not saturated with the bodily nature, but keep ourselves pure until the hour when God himself is pleased to release us.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the <em>Republic</em>, he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Society's leaders] must be able to see the one in the many, to appreciate and realize the great truth of the unity of all virtues, have a genuine knowledge of God and the ways of God, and must not be content to rest on faith in traditions, but must really understand. Only in this way can they order all things for the benefit of all</p></blockquote>
<p>From this RPB2 concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>You really have to work to find an atheist here; and thus, sadly, one can see that this article indicates that erudition often does not equate to understanding.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another commenter, <a href="http://www.economist.com/comment/439922#comment-439922" target="_blank">Michael  Bessette, offers RPB2 his support</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; Socrates repeatedly invokes not only gods, but &#8220;the god&#8221;, as in this famous passage from the Apology: &#8220;Athenians, I honor and love you, but I shall obey the god rather than you&#8221; (29d). Socrates further asserts that he has been specially chosen by &#8220;the god&#8221; to persuade the people of Athens of their ignorance (23b) and that abandoning this mission would mean also abandoning his god (30a)&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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<div id="_mcePaste">And a reader named Robert J. Farrell from Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, wrote in a letter:</div>
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<div>&#8230; the most extraordinary statement in the piece is its labeling Socrates an atheist.  No one can read the accounts given by Xenophon or Plato without recognizing the philosopher&#8217;s piety.  His own pilgrimage to Delphi attests to this; and many, many statements exceptionlessly confirm it.  Indeed, he comes across as being very close to monotheism; for, as my tutor remarked years ago, whenever in the Memorabilia he is most earnestly referring to the divine , he speaks of &#8220;the god&#8221; (ho theos) rather than of &#8220;the gods&#8221; (hoi theoi).  To call Socrates an atheist for his coolness towards the conventional polytheism of the state is as misleading as it would be to so label Jesus because of his confrontation with the priesthood of the Temple&#8230;</div>
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<h2>Discussion</h2>
<p>Let&#8217;s examine some of these points.</p>
<p>First, what does it prove if Socrates uses, in the writings of Plato or Xenophon, the word &#8220;gods&#8221;? Not a whole lot, I submit.</p>
<p>All sorts of atheists today scream <em>Goddammit</em> every time they hit the rush hour, and atheist starlets stammer <em>Ohmigawd, ohmigawd</em> when accepting their Oscars. We have to distinguish between a word as figure of speech, as familiar trope to facilitate communication, and as intended content.</p>
<p>What I find curious in the quotes above is the capitalization of the word <em>God</em>. It&#8217;s a loaded capital letter, to say the least. In fact, let&#8217;s use this occasion to parse some terms:</p>
<h3><strong>1) Mono</strong>theism:</h3>
<p>Is it possible that Socrates believed that there was only <em>one</em> god? I believe we can rule this out. The Greeks did not have that concept. (Even the Jews, who invented it, were just developing at this time, in the century following the Babylonian captivity, as Robert Wright&#8217;s <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-God-Robert-Wright/dp/0316734918" target="_blank">The Evolution of God</a></em> explains quite well.)</p>
<h3><strong>2) A</strong>theism:</h3>
<p>Admittedly, the same is true for our modern concept of <em>atheism</em>&#8211;ie, the Greeks did not have that concept. If somebody was &#8220;godless&#8221;, that meant he had been abandoned by one god or goddess or another. It did not meant that he denied their existence.</p>
<h3><strong>3) Poly</strong>theism</h3>
<div id="attachment_3999" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 148px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3999" title="aphrodite" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/aphrodite.jpg?w=138&h=300" alt="" width="138" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Aphrodite</p></div>
<p>Polytheism is how the Greeks (and most of the world at the time) understood divinity. Alas, this is a concept that has become quite alien to <em>us</em> (unless you happen to be, say, Hindu), so <em>we</em> are the ones struggling to understand it.</p>
<p>Polytheism was an infinitely stretchable and flexible spiritual instinct. A polytheist had mental room not just for many gods and goddesses but for <em>new</em> gods and for <em>other</em> people&#8217;s gods. Even the Greek pantheon included many gods and goddesses (Aphrodite, eg) &#8220;imported&#8221; from Mesopotamia and thereabouts, for instance.</p>
<h3>4) Pantheism</h3>
<p>So polytheists were also, by implication, pantheists. They had an expandable pantheon of gods, and divinity was to be found everywhere and in everything.</p>
<div id="attachment_4000" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 154px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4000" title="288px-Jupiter_Smyrna_Louvre_Ma13" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/288px-jupiter_smyrna_louvre_ma13.jpg?w=144&h=300" alt="" width="144" height="300" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Zeus</p></div>
<p>Put differently, gods and goddesses were often <em>personifications</em> of things. Zeus/Jupiter/Thor/Baal of thunder, for example. Hermes of humble door-thresholds, among other things. Hestia of the hearth. Helios/Apollo of the sun. Kronos of time (→ <em>Chrono</em>-logy). And so on.</p>
<p>Names of things in effect <em>became</em> potential divinities. <em>Sophia</em> could be thought of as a <em>goddess</em> of wisdom, <em>tyche </em>(Roman <em>fortuna</em>) could not just mean luck but be the goddess of fortune, and so forth.</p>
<p>(In fact, I.F. Stone, believes that Socrates&#8217; indictment for &#8220;impiety&#8221; referred specifically to two such personifications/divinities: The &#8220;gods of the city&#8221; of Athens may have been understood to be <em>Peitho, </em>a personification of &#8220;democracy&#8221; and thus a political concept, and <em>Agora</em>, which meant not only marketplace but also <em>assembly</em>, and thus dovetailed with <em>Peitho.</em>)</p>
<p>It was, in other words, a rich and metaphorical way of expressing ideas and <a href="/category/story-telling/">telling stories</a>. Eloquent people at the time were as unlikely to avoid using tropes of divinity as we are today to avoid metaphors.</p>
<h3>&#8220;Science&#8221;</h3>
<p>Having said all that, there was something interesting that happened in the Greek world at around this time, and we might think of it as the beginnings of &#8220;science&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Greeks traditionally relied on their religion (their &#8220;myths&#8221; to us) to explain the world. And they relied in particular on the corpus of stories in <a href="/tag/homer/">Homer</a> and Hesiod.</p>
<p>Thus, if summer turned to winter (a perplexing process, if you think about it) it was because Persephone returned to her husband Hades, thus making her mother Demeter, the goddess of fertility and grain, so sad that she turned the earth barren for half a year. If somebody went into a rage and killed innocent people, it was because a jealous god or goddess possessed him temporarily (eg, Hera possessing <a href="/2009/12/10/brute-and-primal-hero-hercules/">Hercules</a>). And so on.</p>
<div id="attachment_4002" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 250px"><a href="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/heraclitus.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4002 " title="Heraclitus" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/heraclitus.jpg?w=240&h=212" alt="" width="240" height="212" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Heraclitus</p></div>
<p>But, starting about 200 years before Socrates&#8217; trial, some (mainly Ionian) Greeks rejected these mythological explanations and tried to use direct observation of nature (<em>physis</em> in Greek, as in <em>physics</em>) and reason (<em>logos</em>) to explain the world.</p>
<p>These were the so-called &#8220;pre-Socratics&#8221;, such as Thales, Anaximander, Pythagoras and Heraclitus. They wanted to know what things were ultimately made of (fire, earth, water, etc) and how they changed. They wanted to understand the world better and differently.</p>
<p>So they <em>ignored</em> the gods. I don&#8217;t think they boycotted temples and sacrifices and other fun cultural activities, just as even <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/" target="_blank">Richard Dawkins</a> today might sing along to Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. But the gods ceased, for them, to <em>explain</em> anything. In that sense, you might say, using a modern term, that they were atheists.</p>
<h3>Pre-Socratic Socrates</h3>
<p>Now let&#8217;s talk about Socrates. The first thing to know about him, as silly as it sounds, was that he spent the first half of his career as a pre-Socratic philosopher. (Obviously, &#8220;pre-Socratic&#8221; is a term we invented, not the Greeks). This is to say that he also tried to do &#8220;science&#8221;, to inquire into the nature and causes of the physical world and its phenomena.</p>
<div id="attachment_2623" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 190px"><a href="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/180px-aristophanes_-_project_gutenberg_etext_12788.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-2623" title="180px-Aristophanes_-_Project_Gutenberg_eText_12788" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/180px-aristophanes_-_project_gutenberg_etext_12788.png" alt="" width="180" height="208" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Aristophanes</p></div>
<p>This is the Socrates, aged about 40, whom Aristophanes mocked in his comedy <em>The Clouds</em>. In that play, Socrates runs a &#8220;thinkery&#8221; where he examines how far flies jump and how they fart&#8211;presumably, with the Athenian audience, including Socrates, in stitches.</p>
<p>And Aristophanes has the Socrates in that thinkery argue that &#8220;Zeus does not exist.&#8221; &#8221;If no Zeus, then whence comes the rain?&#8221; he is asked by Strepsiades, a country bumpkin. Socrates offers another explanation for rain, and Strepsiades admits that he had always thought it was &#8220;Zeus pissing down upon earth through a sieve.&#8221; But at the end of the play, he burns down Socrates&#8217; Thinkery, saying &#8220;strike, smite them, spare them not, for many reasons, But most because they have blasphemed the gods.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, folks, this is humor. I get that. But there is more to it. Aristophanes was describing a new (proto-atheistic) worldview in a hilarious way. Socrates would, twenty-four years hence, at his own trial, say that <em>this (ie, The Clouds)</em> is where the charge of impiety originated.</p>
<h3>The Socratic &#8220;turn&#8221;</h3>
<p>At about the time of <em>The Clouds</em> Socrates had a wrenching midlife crisis. Apparently, he came to believe that he was not very good at being a philosopher&#8211;ie, he became frustrated by his inability to explain nature satisfactorily.</p>
<p>So he made his famous &#8220;turn&#8221;: away from questions about nature and toward the humanistic subjects of ethics, politics and <em>meta-physics</em> (literally: &#8220;beyond nature&#8221;). It is not much of an exaggeration to say that he invented all three as subjects.</p>
<div id="attachment_4004" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 124px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4004 " title="Hades" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hades.jpg?w=114&h=210" alt="" width="114" height="210" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Hades and Cerberus</p></div>
<p>But he brought with him his pre-Socratic proto-atheism, by which I mean his tendency to ignore myth and gods <em>as explanations</em> for anything.</p>
<p>For example, on his own deathbed he gives a moving (but confusing) speech about death and the immortality of the soul. As it happens, this should not have been necessary: Greek religion gave detailed information about what happened after death. You took a gold coin with you, went down to Hades, past Cerberus, the three-headed guard dog. Then you gave your coin to Charon, the boatman, who ferried you across the river Styx, where you would henceforth hang around as a shadow. Lots and lots of heros (Hercules, Odysseus&#8230;.) had already been down there and come back to tell us about it.</p>
<p>But no, Socrates had none of that. No Thanatos, no Hades, no Charon. He used his reason alone. Again, I consider that proto-atheist.</p>
<h3>Theism, Deism &#8230;</h3>
<p>Did Socrates ever go one step further and deny spirituality or divinity? No. I doubt he was interested in that.</p>
<p>Did he really believe, as he claimed when addressing his jury, that his own personal <em>daimonion (</em>“little divine thing,” whence our <em>daemon</em>) talked to him to warn him of danger? Perhaps, perhaps not.</p>
<p>Did he consider himself a proto-atheist? Perhaps, perhaps not. The one time he could have spoken about the matter explicitly, during his trial, he reverted to form (ie, <a href="/2008/12/09/socratic-irony/">Socratic irony</a> and <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">dialectic</a>) and maneuvered his accuser, Meletus, into defining atheism as both believing in unorthodox gods and no gods at all, which is impossible at the same time. He was a wise ass, in short.</p>
<p>So we do not know, and we will not know.</p>
<p>What we can agree on, I believe, is that Socrates was a highly unusual man with unusual opinions and extremely unorthodox views about everything, including religion. Whatever he believed, neither atheists nor theists today can claim his support to wage their ongoing battle.</p>
<p><a href="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/460px-albert_einstein_1947a.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1527" title="460px-albert_einstein_1947a" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/460px-albert_einstein_1947a.jpg?w=230&h=300" alt="" width="230" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>In this respect, in fact, Socrates reminds me of another <a href="/tag/einstein/">non-conformist I admire</a>: Albert Einstein. Einstein also studied <em>physis </em>and inadvertantly ended up &#8220;beyond&#8221; it, in <em>meta-physis</em>. And Einstein also had notions about religion that still divide lesser minds today. Was he an atheist? A believer? Everybody wanted to know. So Einstein penned an answer, which concludes (page 387 in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Einstein-Life-Universe-Walter-Isaacson/dp/0743264738" target="_blank">this biography</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. <strong>In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe Socrates might have said the same exact thing.</p>
<h2>The Procrustean Bed, again</h2>
<p>And so, I have spent as many words again on that one little sentence as I wrote in that entire article. Would I change the little sentence?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted before about <a href="/2009/12/01/writing-in-a-procrustean-bed/">the Procrustean Bed that page layouts represent</a> to writers: you must either stretch or, more often, amputate your text in order to fit the space an editor gives you. <em>Socrates in America: Arguing about Death</em> was not an article about religion. It was about how we talk to one another and the tension between individualism and democracy. Religion only came up <em>en passant</em>, and so I was forced to commit a journalist drive-by shooting.</p>
<p>When I said</p>
<blockquote><p>Socrates almost certainly was an atheist</p></blockquote>
<p>I had all this and more on my mind. Given another chance, I would say</p>
<blockquote><p>Socrates may have been an atheist</p></blockquote>
<p>or perhaps</p>
<blockquote><p>Socrates&#8217; views on religion were unorthodox to say the least.</p></blockquote>
<p>And then I would have done just what I did: I would have moved on.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Kluth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of you may have noticed that my thread on Socrates was going strong all through the summer and then, seemingly, stopped. Something similar, you might have thought, occurred with my thread on America. Well, no, the two threads did not stop. They went into overdrive, albeit in a different form. Indeed, they became a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=3856&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Some of you may have noticed that my <a href="/tag/socrates/">thread on Socrates</a> was going strong all through the summer and then, seemingly, stopped. Something similar, you might have thought, occurred with my thread on <a href="/tag/america/">America</a>.</p>
<p>Well, no, the two threads did not stop. They went into overdrive, albeit in a different form. Indeed, they became a story&#8211;what we call a &#8220;Christmas Special&#8221;&#8211;in the new holiday issue of <em>The Economist</em>.</p>
<p>It is called &#8220;<a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15108704" target="_blank">Socrates in America: Arguing to death</a>&#8220;. Please think <em>and</em> smirk as you read it (which also, of course, goes for almost anything you read on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>).</p>
<p>(A similar, though less pronounced, process led to <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15127600" target="_blank">my other piece in that issue</a>, a sort of polemic against direct democracy. That idea occurred to me after amusing myself, here on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, in my <a href="/tag/freedom/">thread on freedom</a>, with posts such as <a href="/2009/09/20/a-republic-not-a-democracy-james-madison/">this one on James Madison</a>.)</p>
<h2>Thank you!</h2>
<p><img class="size-medium wp-image-3871 alignright" title="Socrates vase" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/socrates-vase.jpg?w=182&h=240" alt="" width="182" height="240" />But what am I saying! Nonsense. It was not <em>I</em>, amusing <em>myself</em>. It was <em>we</em>, amusing <em>ourselves</em>.</p>
<p>And that is the point of this post. It is, first, to say Thank You to you, who come here to comment, to teach me, challenge me, tease me.</p>
<p>Those of you who have been readers for a while will see yourselves in my story in <em>The Economist</em>. <a href="http://cheriblocksabraw.com/" target="_blank">Cheri</a> will recognize, in the ninth paragraph, <a href="http://www.stjohnscollege.edu/about/dialogue.shtml" target="_blank">the gem</a> that she herself sent to me. <a href="http://www.hangingnoodles.com/" target="_blank">Jag</a> will spot, further down, his pun on the Greek word <em>idiotes</em>. <strong>Mr Crotchety</strong>, who offends the gods by not having his own blog, will see his own worldview&#8211;irreverent, humorous, incisive&#8211;throughout the piece, since he trained me well in it. <a href="http://phoggydaysphoggynights.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Phillip S Phogg</a>, with his deep erudition, subtly worn; <a href="http://solidgoldcreativity.com/" target="_blank">Solid Gold Creativity</a>, with her sensitivity and philosophy; <a href="http://testazyk.com/" target="_blank">Thomas Stazyk</a>, <a href="http://thecriticalline.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Thecriticalline</a> and the Village Gossip, with their almost poetic thought processes;  <a href="http://blog.cyberquill.com/" target="_blank">Peter G</a>, with his outrageous wit; <a href="http://www.sablocklaw.com/" target="_blank">Steve Block </a>with his precision mind; <a href="http://boomer-musings.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Douglas</a> with his forging inquiry; &#8230;. the list goes on and on and on.</p>
<p>Those of you who come sporadically, such as Vincent and <a href="http://kempton.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Kempton</a>; those of you have come recently, such as <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Man of Roma</a>, Susan and Dafna; those of you who disappear for a while and resurface months later; and the many, many more who don&#8217;t comment at all but just read: <em>all of you</em> have enriched this blog and my mind and my writing.</p>
<p>You are all now co-authors of stories in <em>The Economist</em> and of <a href="/about-the-book/">a book in the making</a>.</p>
<h2>Academy 2.0</h2>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-3872" title="socrates latte" src="http://andreaskluth.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/socrates-latte.jpg?w=145&h=300" alt="" width="145" height="300" />Which leads me to another insight: Socrates was wrong about one thing, as he himself would gladly concede if he were given a WordPress account: <a href="/2009/06/19/the-spoken-and-the-written-word/">the written word </a>is not inimical to good conversation; text is not necessarily dumb and dead.</p>
<p>What we do here is <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">dialectic, defined as </a><em><a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">good conversations</a></em>. What we have here is the <a href="/2009/06/22/socrates-and-the-original-think-tank/">Academy</a> that Socrates&#8217; student Plato founded in Athens. Where <em>they</em> ambled in circles and joked and teased and inquired and contested and thought, <em>we </em>do the same thing here on our blogs, minus the ambling.</p>
<p>And there is something new and special about these conversations. I have debated in many settings&#8211;the famous &#8220;Monday morning meetings&#8221; at <em>The Economist</em> in 25 St. James&#8217;s Square, London, being a notable one.</p>
<p>When you practice dialectic in those settings, in the flesh, you are always aware <em>who </em>is speaking as well as <em>what </em>is being said. Often this adds an impurity into the mental flow. Are we paying more attention to somebody of higher status or rank, less to somebody who is new? Are we distracted by a twitch, a snort, a sniffle? A curve, accentuated by a fabric, reminiscent of a &#8230;</p>
<p>Here there is none of that. With one single exception, I have met none of you in person. (And is that not amazing?) Here, the only thing that matters is <em>what</em>, not <em>who</em>.</p>
<p>Put differently, here in this modern and more pure academy, we all feel <strong>safe:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>safe to <a href="/2009/04/27/lets-contradict-ourselves/">contradict ourselves</a>,</li>
<li>safe to take intellectual risks,</li>
<li>safe to fail and advance,</li>
<li>safe from embarrassment.</li>
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<p>We exist on our blogs, between which we skip and link and flit like thoughts across neurons, through our words and associations, our minds and thoughts alone.</p>
<p>Here, we are each equal with Socrates.<br />
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<p>One of the most momentous conversations in history you&#8217;ve never heard about took place between Socrates and a man named Callicles, and is recorded in Plato&#8217;s <em>Gorgias</em>. It is a surprisingly moving portrayal of a man who tries to describe the world as it <em>is</em> but, upon prompting, reveals how much he yearns for the way it <em>ought</em> to be. Although it took place 2,400 years ago, the conversation is timeless and very modern. I think it describes many of us today.</p>
<h3>Lions and sheep</h3>
<p>As usual, Socrates is going around asking people to define &#8220;justice&#8221; and <a href="/2009/06/25/the-original-gadfly-socrates-negativity/">to expose, as was his wont, their confusion and ignorance</a>. Callicles decides to have a go.</p>
<p>He proceeds to give a sort of <em>genealogy</em> of the concepts <em>just </em>and <em>u</em><em>njust</em>. The law of nature is that the <em>stronger</em> and <em>better</em> dominate the weaker and worse. The lions feast on the sheep. That is natural justice. (<a href="/2009/08/29/the-rape-of-melos-thucydides-as-great-thinker/">Compare: Thucydides, writing at about the time the dialogue would have taken place, about the genocide of Melos</a>.)</p>
<p>The weak, the sheep, don&#8217;t like that, of course, so they get together and call what the strong do <em>u</em><em>njust</em>. By implication, what they themselves do is <em>just</em>. Collectively as a herd, the sheep want to dominate the lions. So whereas <em>nature</em> is on the side of the strong and the lions, <em>convention</em> is on the side of the weak and the sheep.</p>
<h3>Influence on Nietzsche</h3>
<p>To many of you, this rings a bell. Yes, this is where <a href="/2009/01/24/great-if-not-greatest-thinker-nietzsche/">Nietzsche</a> got his ideas for his <em><a href="http://cheriblocksabraw.com/2009/07/21/the-first-essay-nietzsches-blamers-and-warriors/" target="_blank">Genealogy of Morals</a></em>. Nietzsche took his metaphors of lions, sheep, herds, slaves and so forth from Callicles, then spun his theory. It was that the sheep banded together to <em>invert</em> the natural concepts of good and bad, strong and weak, motivated by a festering rage for which Nietzsche used the French word <em>ressentiment</em>.</p>
<h3>Relevance to Darwin</h3>
<p><a href="/2009/06/25/the-original-gadfly-socrates-negativity/">Socrates being Socrates</a>, of course, he goes on to needle Callicles about the precise meaning of words in order to poke a hole in his argument. He asks Callicles to clarify the terms &#8220;better&#8221; and &#8220;stronger&#8221;. Are they the same?</p>
<p>Callicles has to admit that they are not. And off they go, debating what that means.</p>
<p>Today, of course, we know that Callicles was looking for a better word: not <em>strong</em> or <em>good </em>but  <strong><em>fit</em><span style="font-weight:normal;">. Not fit as in &#8216;toned from the gym&#8217; but as in &#8216;survival of the fittest&#8217;<em>. </em>The <em>fittest</em>, <a href="/2009/01/30/greatest-thinker-runner-up-darwin/">according to Darwin</a>, are <em>not</em> the strongest or the best but the most adapted.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight:normal;"> The law of nature that Callicles refers to is therefore evolution. It is the tautological observation that those who are better adapted to the prevailing circumstances will leave more of themselves (ie, their genes) behind than those who are worse adapted. </span></strong></p>
<h3>Gibe at democracy</h3>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight:normal;">Callicles and Socrates go on to mock democracy (Athens was <a href="/2009/09/20/a-republic-not-a-democracy-james-madison/">an even more direct democracy than America</a> is today). Democracy to them is the inversion of nature, the herd of sheep ruling the lions, the weak dominating the strong, the inferior getting their revenge on the superior. </span></strong></p>
<h3>Yearning for what <em>ought</em> to be</h3>
<p>But the dialogue between Callicles and Socrates becomes more moving than anything Nietzsche did with it. That&#8217;s because during the conversation it becomes clear that Callicles is a sophisticated and sensitive man who is trying to describe how the world <em>is</em> while simultaneously being sad about it and yearning for how things <em>ought </em>to be.</p>
<p>He is confused and bitter&#8211;about many things. He is angry at Socrates for needling him, but also because he already foresees (correctly, of course) that the democratic herd of sheep will condemn the lion Socrates. And he hates himself for having to suck up to the herd, to the Athenians, to make his living.</p>
<p>But he also hates seeing the fit succeed whether or not they are also good. In other words, he has the ideal of justice in his head as though it were an <a href="/tag/archetypes/">archetype</a> and is, like most of us, frustrated. That&#8217;s all that Plato definitely establishes in this dialogue.</p>
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		<title>Alcibiades: cad, charmer, hero, foil to Socrates</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Kluth</dc:creator>
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<p>I&#8217;m finding myself intrigued in the extreme by a figure from antiquity as colorful as Hannibal: Alcibiades. He is such a good character, he might be worth another book.</p>
<p>Why? Mostly because he was a (bad) student of <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>&#8216;, and indeed the perfect foil for the great old man:</p>
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<li>Socrates: ugly. Alcibiades: gorgeous.</li>
<li>Socrates: wise, deep, profound, intellectual, curious. Alcibiades: confused, cynical, shallow, but clever!</li>
<li>Socrates: interested in justice. Alcibiades: interested in himself.</li>
<li>Socrates: tried to teach Alcibiades inner values. Alcibiades: tried (and failed) to sleep with Socrates</li>
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<p>Let me give you an abbreviated and simplified biography of this man. (One reason why many people never learn to appreciate history is that many teachers get bogged down in boring detail. So let&#8217;s not make that mistake today.)</p>
<p>Alcibiades, his father having died young, was raised in the home of his uncle, Pericles, the greatest statesman of Athens, which was in turn the greatest power of Greece. Alcibiades was thus a rough equivalent of, say, a Kennedy heir in the 60s and 70s&#8211;a party boy in a powerful family.</p>
<p>On the eve of Alcibiades&#8217; own entry into Athenian politics, Socrates took an interest and, using his customary <a href="/2008/12/09/socratic-irony/">Socratic irony</a> (in which Socrates pretends to be less than he is), got Alcibiades to talk about what he wants Athens to do, in the process exposing him to be the confused young man that he was.</p>
<p>Alcibiades, being good-looking (and very much the ladies&#8217; man, of which more in a minute) and charming, rose politically. He became a general in the Peloponnesian War, one of two to take a huge invasion army to Sicily in what was to be one of the dumbest pre-emptive strikes in history.</p>
<p>Just after they sailed, however, the Athenians discover that somebody had, apparently as a prank, broken off all the erect phalluses on the statues of Hermes, which was sacrilege. This was exactly the sort of thing that Alcibiades got up to when he was drunk, so he was presumed guilty. (Then again, he was such an obvious culprit that he may have been framed.) So the Athenians sent another ship after the invasion fleet to arrest their general and bring him home for trial.</p>
<p>Alcibiades did not like that idea and defected to &#8230; Sparta! The enemy. Because he was so charming, the Spartans accepted him, and Alcibiades helped them defeat the Athenians. But then it was found out that Alcibiades was sleeping with the wife of one of the Spartan kings, so he made a hasty exit.</p>
<p>Next he went to Persia, Athens&#8217; other enemy. He charmed them, advised them &#8230;. (you get the pattern).</p>
<p>Such was his charm and charisma that, after having been a traitor to his native country so long, he then persuaded the Athenians to take him back! For a while, he became their general again. But then he fell out again and crossed back over the <a href="/2009/01/11/east-vs-west-where-it-started/">Hellespont</a> to another kingdom.</p>
<p>He was sleeping with a girl there one day when his political enemies (he had amassed a few by then) surrounded the house. Alcibiades grabbed a dagger and, possibly naked, attacked. He died in a hail of arrows.<br />
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		<title>Socrates and the &#8220;town hall meetings&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Kluth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lest any of you think that I have abandoned my thread on Socrates, far from it! Indeed, the reason that you haven&#8217;t heard much lately from me about the great and controversial and perplexing man is that I&#8217;ve decided to do a big piece on him in the Christmas issue of The Economist (large parts [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2910&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Lest any of you think that I have abandoned my <a href="/tag/socrates/">thread on Socrates</a>, far from it!</p>
<p>Indeed, the reason that you haven&#8217;t heard much lately from me about the great and controversial and perplexing man is that I&#8217;ve decided to do a big piece on him in the Christmas issue of <em>The Economist</em> (large parts of which we actually produce in September).</p>
<p>So am I thinking about him? Every day, especially this week, as I cannot avoid, no matter how much I try, the news about these alleged &#8220;town hall meetings&#8221; on health care.</p>
<p>Town hall meetings?</p>
<p><a href="/2009/04/11/freedom-lessons-from-hong-kong-2-democracy/">Democracy</a>?</p>
<p><a href="/tag/America/">America</a>?</p>
<p>Oh, please. This is what the thread on Socrates has been about: <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">Good versus bad conversation</a>, debate that wants to find truth and climb higher versus debate that wants to win, to debase, to obscure.</p>
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<p>PS: As I post this, I am downloading yet another <a href="http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDescLong2.aspx?cid=4460" target="_blank">lecture series by <em>The Teaching Company</em> on Plato, Aristotle and Socrates</a><br />
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Richard Meier, the architect of the Getty Center in Los Angeles, explicitly intend to build a modern acropolis? I&#8217;m almost sure that he did. This is the effect his superb architecture has. The museum&#8217;s contents&#8211;ie the art inside&#8211;is fine. But what makes the Getty Center a destination is that it is, well, what the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2855&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Did <a href="http://www.richardmeier.com/current/" target="_blank">Richard Meier</a>, the architect of the Getty Center in Los Angeles, explicitly intend to build a modern acropolis?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost sure that he did. This is the effect his superb architecture has. The museum&#8217;s contents&#8211;ie the art inside&#8211;is fine. But what makes the Getty Center a destination is that it is, well, what the acropolis of Athens would have been for <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>: a space for civilized humanity. It has great <a href="/2009/07/14/stuff-dead-space-the-feng-shui-view/">Feng Shui</a>.</p>
<p>Instead of <em>sitting on</em> a hill, the Getty Center, like the acropolis, seems to rise out of, or to <em>be</em>, the hilltop. It blends into its topography and simultaneously defines it. It signals itself to the people below as the obvious place to <em>go up to</em>. To the people already inside, it is a natural, light-filled place to <em>dwell</em>. It keeps you in, makes you reflective and social, encourages you to meander and talk.</p>
<p>It is simple and yet subtle, the equivalent of a <a href="/2009/01/02/brancusi-einstein-simplicity-and-beauty/">Brancusi sculpture</a> or of the kind of writing I like.</p>
<p>The easiest way to know that it is good architecture (= the way to know good writing) is that it does not make you <em>tired</em>. You can walk through the Louvre, for example, and feel all dutiful about being cultured, but within minutes you want to yawn, sit, sleep, escape, open a window. The Getty Center, and all good art in any medium, makes no such demand on you. It says &#8220;check your sense of duty at the door and come in: the culture will happen all by itself; you will feel refreshed after.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>Socrates on trial</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And here he is, the great man, dying of the hemlock coursing through his veins. Throughout this thread on Socrates, we&#8217;ve been pondering all the ways in which he&#8211;his life, his thoughts, his arrogance, his eccentricity, his genius and humor&#8211;speaks to us today, timeless in his relevance. But of course we always knew what happened [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2766&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>And here he is, the great man, dying of the hemlock coursing through his veins. Throughout this <a href="/tag/socrates/">thread on Socrates</a>, we&#8217;ve been pondering all the ways in which he&#8211;his life, his thoughts, his arrogance, his eccentricity, his genius and humor&#8211;speaks to us today, timeless in his relevance. But of course we always knew what happened next, the full stop that ended the sentence of his life. His trial and martyrdom is rivaled, in notoriety and historical importance, only by that of Jesus.</p>
<p>It is more than just another fact in the text books: It is one of the greatest mysteries in all of history, and an eternal challenge and reprimand to democracies and <a href="/tag/freedom/">freedom</a> lovers everywhere. The question is:</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Why did the Athenians, the most ardent freedom lovers of all time, turn against their gadfly when he was 70 years old? For his whole life they had tolerated, mocked, enjoyed, hated and loved him. But then something changed. One of their 500-man juries,<a href="/2009/07/12/socrates-athenian-jury/"> the sort that they were so proud of</a>, found him guilty of two silly&#8211;laughable, stupid, banal!&#8211;charges and gave him death.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try to find out what was going on.<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[Slowly, in this thread on Socrates and his surprising relevance to us today, we are leading up to his jury trial, the most famous in all of history. So a word is in order about Athenian juries. I am skeptical of jury-systems, as I have hinted before and as I may eventually spell out more [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2767&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Slowly, <a href="/tag/socrates/">in this thread on Socrates and his surprising relevance to us today</a>, we are leading up to his jury trial, the most famous in all of history. So a word is in order about Athenian <em>juries</em>.</p>
<p>I am skeptical of jury-systems, as I have hinted before and as I may eventually spell out more coherently. But that is neither here nor there today. Today I want to look at what juries meant to the Athenians, and how they worked.</p>
<p>Above, you see a strapping but unfortunate lad named Orestes being beset by the Furies. He is one of the main characters in the <em>Oresteia</em>, a famous trilogy of tragedies by Aeschylus, the oldest of the three great Greek playwrights (the others being Sophocles and Euripides). It is a heart-rending story about a truly haunted family that, generation after generation, goes from bad to worse until it ends &#8230;. <em>in the world&#8217;s first jury trial!</em></p>
<h2>Background</h2>
<p>Very quickly: Several generations of disastering downstream, a king (Agamemnon) continues the pattern by sacrificing his own daughter (!) so that he can take an army to Troy to get his brother&#8217;s wife (Helen) back. More than a decade later, he comes back&#8211;victorious, as it were. But his wife is humping another man and hates her husband for killing her daughter and takes revenge: she stabs him in the bath tub.</p>
<p>Now the disastering moves on to the next generation: The remaining children of Agamemnon and his wife, Orestes and Electra, must avenge &#8230;. well, whom exactly? Their sister, whom their father had murdered? Or their father, whom their mother had murdered? They settle for the latter, and Orestes kills his mother. The Furies are beside themselves and go to work on Orestes.</p>
<p>What could possibly happen next? It would seem that everybody has to keep slaughtering everybody forever, were it not for&#8230;</p>
<h2>The Athenian Jury</h2>
<p>Aeschylus now did something very cheeky. The Trojan War took place, if indeed it did, around 1250 BCE. It was already ancient mythology for the Athenians of the fifth century BCE. But Aeschylus modernized the story. He added a patriotic Athenian twist: They do <em>not</em> keep slaughtering one another. Instead, they settle things in an Athenian jury trial!</p>
<p>The jury, as it happened, was split. Half thought Orestes was in the wrong, the other half thought he had had no choice. So Athena herself had to join in to break the tie. She voted to acquit, thus setting the precedent for all subsequent Athenian trials that a tied vote meant acquittal.</p>
<p>And so the days of blood feuding were over. The scary Furies turned into something else: the benevolent and beautiful Eumenides (&#8220;kind ones&#8221;), whom the Athenians would revere among their gods. Civilization had begun. Athens had begun! She stood for freedom and justice.</p>
<h2>Practicalities</h2>
<p>A few other things are worth mentioning:</p>
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<li>The juries were huge, numbering about 500. Sitting on juries and in the assembly was <em>all</em> that Athenian citizens did (slaves and women did what we would call work).</li>
<li>Anybody could bring an indictment.</li>
<li>There were two rounds of voting: First, to decide whether the defendant was guilty or innocent of the charges; second, if guilty, to decide <em>between </em>the punishments proposed by the prosecution and defense.</li>
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<p>But the most important point is the one you&#8217;re supposed to infer from Aeschylus: the Athenians <em>loved</em> their jury courts, their assembly, their free speech, their democracy. The worst thing that could happen would be for something to call these institutions into doubt. And that&#8217;s what happened when an Athenian jury put Socrates to death.<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[Socrates&#8217; most famous disciple was of course Plato. But his oldest disciple was a man named Antisthenes (above), who became the first of the cynics and the teacher of that Diogenes whom I so admire and envy, because I would love the simplicity of living in a barrel. I quite sympathize with Antisthenes, in several [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2680&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Socrates&#8217; most famous disciple was of course Plato. But his <em>oldest</em> disciple was a man named Antisthenes (above), who became the first of the <em>cynics</em> and the teacher of that <a href="/2009/05/06/free-as-diogenes-a-fantasy/">Diogenes whom I so admire and envy, because I would love the simplicity of living in a barrel</a>.</p>
<p>I quite sympathize with Antisthenes, in several ways. Socrates was forever going around <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">interrogating everybody</a> in this intense&#8211;we would say anal-retentive&#8211;quest to come up with perfect definitions. What is <em>virtue</em>? What is <em>justice</em>? What is the <em>good</em>? Whatever answers others gave, <a href="/2009/06/25/the-original-gadfly-socrates-negativity/">Socrates dismantled them, but rarely came up with anything positive</a>. Antisthenes eventually got rather bored and frustrated by all this.</p>
<p>So he concluded that these things that Socrates was obsessed with were really just names, or words. They mean what you want them to mean. 2,360 years later, French intellectuals like Derrida would say the same thing and get famous for it.</p>
<p>So to hell with words, said Antisthenes, and let&#8217;s get out of here. Screw society and its norms and conventions. Jury duty? Puhleeze. Vote? No way. That stuff was for those do-goody Athenians who were under the illusion that they were &#8220;<a href="/tag/freedom/">free</a>&#8220;. Antisthenes, who had a good sense of humor, regularly recommended that the Athenians should vote that asses are horses, as a way of celebrating <a href="/2009/04/11/freedom-lessons-from-hong-kong-2-democracy/">democracy</a>.</p>
<p>He, and all the Cynics, were thus what we would call <em>apolitical</em>: without <em>politics</em>, without a <em>polis</em>, without a <em>city</em>. Aristotle thought there was something pathetic about being apolitical, cityless&#8211;like being &#8220;a solitary piece in checkers&#8221;. But Socrates, Antisthenes, Diogenes and those types saw freedom in this withdrawal.</p>
<p>As <a href="http://www.hangingnoodles.com/" target="_blank">Jag Bhalla</a>, an expert on such matters, has already pointed out on the <em>Hannibal Blog</em>, the Greeks had a word for these people: keeping out of public affairs, they were <em>private</em>, or <em>idiotes</em>. In time we came to call people who cut loose from conventions <em>idio</em>syncratic, but also tried to discourage that sort of thing and gave <em>idiots</em> a bad name.</p>
<p>I, for one, stick by my Diogenes dream: Being an idiot sounds great to me.<br />
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<p>Here is one way of seeing  the timeless relevance of Socrates for us today: Think of him as the <a href="/2008/11/29/the-ur-story/">archetype</a> of <em>individualism</em> fighting against oppressive social <em>conformity</em>.</p>
<p>In <a href="/tag/socrates/">this thread on Socrates</a>, I&#8217;ve already looked at some noble and less noble aspects of the man&#8217;s character. And every time I found him to be thoroughly modern and recognizable. So too in this way.</p>
<p>Watch the 2-minute video above of the famous Asch Experiments that began in 1956. They were devastating: We saw confirmed what we already suspected, that people will readily<em> surrender truth to a group</em>.</p>
<p>To me, still emerging from <a href="/2009/04/07/one-sided-thinker-ayn-rand/">my old Ayn Rand phase</a>, this was always the ultimate, the most disgusting, sin. To me, this is how the Nazis perverted an entire nation, how Mao&#8217;s Red Guards did it again, how all great evil throughout history spreads.</p>
<p>Hence the inherent appeal of a hero such as Socrates. He told the group (the Athenians) to bugger off. In return, they killed him for it. (This will get a lot more nuanced in future posts, but let&#8217;s leave it at that for now.)</p>
<p>If Socrates had sat in the Asch Experiments, he would never have changed his answer.</p>
<h2>But should the group really bugger off?</h2>
<p>If it were as simple as all that, <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> would not find this so interesting. But it is not so simple. It turns out that we have moved on from the Asch Experiments somewhat. Read, for instance, Bert Hodges and Anne Geyer, two psychologists who took <a href="http://psr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/10/1/2" target="_blank">a new approach</a>.</p>
<p>The people who might change their answer to &#8220;lie&#8221; in unison with the group were in fact facing an exceedingly difficult situation that inherently required all sorts of complex trade-offs, they argue:</p>
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<li>On one hand, there is the value of <em>truth</em>.</li>
<li>On the other hand, there is the value of <em>social solidarity</em>.</li>
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<p>In practice, most people did not conform consistently (ie, &#8220;lie&#8221; with the group every time) but varied their response in what Hodges and Geyer call</p>
<blockquote><p>patterns of dissent and agreement to communicate larger scale truths and cooperative intentions.</p></blockquote>
<p>In short, they were being biological organisms that keep in mind 1) their own survival in a group and 2) the survival of the group as a whole.</p>
<p>Now this is exactly the sort of poppycock that I used to have no time for at all. But as I get older I see more complexities. In Socrates&#8217; case, for instance, there actually was a specific threat to the group survival of the Athenians, and I will get to that.</p>
<p>So we can add another timeless conundrum to the issues that Socrates raised. We already said that <a href="/2009/06/25/the-original-gadfly-socrates-negativity/">truth often conflicts with gentleness and kindness</a>, and that one cannot assume truth must always win this fight. What if Hodges and Geyer are right and truth must also occasionally take a backseat to those &#8220;larger truths&#8221;&#8211; and that Socrates, failing to understand that, paid a fair price?<br />
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		<title>The arrogance of Socrates: Apollo made me!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we opened this thread on Socrates and his relevance to us today by showing the heroically positive, then nuanced that with some more ambiguous observations. We must now add (before we eventually get to the heroic again) a few more. First: he was arrogant. Yes, an arrogant S.O.B. I mean, let&#8217;s take his personal [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2682&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>So we opened this <a href="/tag/socrates/">thread on Socrates </a>and his relevance to us today by showing the heroically positive, then nuanced that with some more ambiguous observations. We must now add (before we eventually get to the heroic again) a few more. First: he was <em>arrogant</em>.</p>
<p>Yes, an arrogant S.O.B. I mean, let&#8217;s take his personal &#8220;creation myth&#8221;, ie the story that he would later use at his trial (to which we will get) as his raison d&#8217;être.</p>
<p>There are two versions of this story, one from each of the only two students whose writings we rely on to know anything at all about Socrates.</p>
<p>Xenophon, the less famous of the two, says that Socrates told the Athenian jury that he had sent a student/apprentice to Apollo&#8217;s oracle at Delphi, where the oracle opined that</p>
<blockquote><p>no man was more free than I, or more just, or more prudent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ahem. Lest that sound a bit, you know, over-the-top, Socrates added that</p>
<blockquote><p>Apollo did not compare me to a god [although he did] judge that I far excelled the rest of mankind.</p></blockquote>
<p>So there, members of the jury. That&#8217;s why I have been going around humiliating and exposing you, disabusing you of your impression that you were free, undermining your self-confidence while tooting the horn of the Spartan enemy.</p>
<p>The more famous of the two students, Plato, wrote later and probably realized that it would be wise to tone this down a bit. Here Socrates &#8216;merely&#8217; told the jury that the oracle told him that</p>
<blockquote><p>there was no one wiser.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is still rather cocky, but now with a twist. The twist is that Socrates is now<em> on a divine mission</em>. He must find out whether the oracle is right, whether anybody out there is wiser after all. So, you see, he <em>had to</em> make everybody look like a fool just to do justice to Apollo.</p>
<p>His &#8216;biographer&#8217; <a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/socrates/ifstoneinterview.html">I.F. Stone</a> calls this one huge &#8220;ego-trip&#8221;, possibly the biggest in world history. It just so happens that I have a soft spot for huge egos, provided that they are intelligent and <a href="/2008/11/23/wit-voltaire-and-frederick-the-great/">witty</a> and not my editors. So on <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, this is not an attack per se. It&#8217;s just, you know, &#8216;color&#8217;. We need to know who we&#8217;re dealing with.<br />
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		<title>Elitism: Socrates&#8217; Athens to Palin&#8217;s America</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Socrates was a snob, an unabashed elitist. How I love him. Now, I know it&#8217;s not fashionable to be an elitist in today&#8217;s America&#8211;every four years, a Palinesque figure emerges to tell you that you don&#8217;t belong to &#8220;real America&#8221;. Elites, in some vague and unspecified way, then become those people out there who conspire [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2630&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Socrates was a snob, an unabashed elitist. How I love him.</p>
<p>Now, I know it&#8217;s not fashionable to be an elitist in today&#8217;s America&#8211;every four years, a Palinesque figure emerges to tell you that you don&#8217;t belong to &#8220;real America&#8221;. Elites, in some vague and unspecified way, then become those people out there who conspire to keep the honest folks down.</p>
<p>Socrates had none of it, and he too eventually ran into the Palin faction of his time. So this is yet another way in which Socrates, with his life and thought and personality, speaks to us across the ages, as we are discovering in <a href="/tag/socrates/">this thread</a>.</p>
<h2>The mob and the experts</h2>
<p>As ever, we must see Athens as his analog of America. So how did the Athenians see themselves? Above all, as <em>free</em>. Their word for their city was <em>polis</em>, a free and self-governing state. That&#8217;s where we get our word <em>politics</em>.</p>
<p>So the non-slave, male Athenians of a certain class lounged around the Acropolis and Agora, debating in their assemblies and deliberating in their huge juries&#8211;<em>participating</em> in this and that and every way.</p>
<p>To Socrates they were a dumb herd of sheep. It&#8217;s not that he was against democracy per se. It&#8217;s just that, as I.F. Stone puts it in his work of <a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/socrates/ifstoneinterview.html" target="_blank">investigative journalism about the trial of Socrates</a> (about which more in later posts), Socrates believed in</p>
<blockquote><p>rule neither by the few nor the many but by<em> the one who knows</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>In short, he was neither oligarch nor democrat, but elitist! An Athenian, he always loved and admired Sparta, the elitist enemy of Athens.</p>
<p>(The orginal Greek meaning of <em>aristocrat</em> was &#8220;rule of the best&#8221;, similar to our <em>meritocrat</em>. How strange that we need to mix Latin and Greek roots together to understand a word properly. See: <em>television</em>.)</p>
<p>So Socrates thought it was just as ridiculous for the Athenians to expect masons and smiths to &#8220;govern&#8221; and &#8220;judge&#8221; in the assembly and jury-courts as it would be for them to hire a mason to build a ship. Obviously, they&#8217;d get a shipwright. So too they should get a properly qualified statesman for the ship of state.</p>
<p>Better, therefore, to look for the best, then train them, then pick the best again, then train them even more. What you are doing is <em>eligere</em> in Latin, <em>to elect</em> in English, élire in French, and that last variant is where <em>elite</em> comes from.</p>
<p>Americans in particular love this kind of market selection. When they step onto plane and hear from the pilot, when they send in the Marines overseas, when they appoint and compensate CEOs, they are proudly rooting for members of the respective elite.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t <em>tell</em> Americans that they love elites. When it comes to politics, nothing has changed since, well, the polis. Some sort of <a href="/2009/01/24/great-if-not-greatest-thinker-nietzsche/">Nietzschean slave morality</a>, a <em>ressentiment</em> against anybody who might think of himself as uppity, seizes Americans. This is when you get, say, billionaires posing for the cameras chowing hot dogs and slurping beers, to prove that they are ordinary enough to be president.</p>
<p>The downside of Socrates&#8217; elitism, <a href="/2009/01/22/must-great-thinkers-be-right/">if we had ever tried to put his ideas into practice</a>, may have been that we would have got a totalitarian society. Indeed, that&#8217;s not good.</p>
<p>The downside for Socrates personally was that they gave him hemlock. We&#8217;ll get to that.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In opening this <a href="/tag/socrates/">thread on Socrates</a> and his relevance to our modern lives, <a href="/2009/06/17/new-thread-socrates/">I mentioned</a> &#8220;an oddly serendipitous string of events&#8221;: Several of you had, independently, emailed me with links and thoughts that, directly or indirectly, touched on issues that Socrates raised.</p>
<p>Here is one example, which segues from the <a href="/2009/06/25/the-original-gadfly-socrates-negativity/">previous post on Socrates&#8217; negativity</a>, his apparent sacrifice of gentleness at the altar of unvarnished truth. A few weeks ago, Joel Rotem, a reader of <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, emailed me this TED talk of theologist Karen Armstrong, in which she puts forth a theory of <em>&#8220;good&#8221;</em> religiosity. Joel was sceptical and asked philosophically:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it OK to misinform your listeners in order to get to a noble target? Do the ends justify the means?</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://andreaskluth.org/2009/06/26/more-trouble-with-truth-religion/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/SJMm4RAwVLo/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span><br />
As you see, Armstrong wants to persuade us that religion is not really about &#8220;believing&#8221; this or that, but about behaving in a certain way: with compassion. All religions, she argues, have at their core a version of the Golden Rule (&#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you&#8221;). Hatred, she infers, is alien to true religiosity and a form of &#8220;hijacking&#8221; religion.</p>
<p>Now, this is of course a Rorschach test of sorts. Those who would like to exonerate religion will tend to <a href="/2008/09/04/the-trouble-with-titles-continued/">confabulate</a> ways to agree with Armstrong, those who would like to indict religion will do the opposite. Joel is in the later camp, as I tend to be. But that is not the point.</p>
<p>The point, as Joel said in our impromptu debate (because Socratic dialectic seems to come naturally and effortlessly to readers of <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) is this same tension between <em>true</em> and <em>good</em> that got Socrates into so much trouble. Joel&#8217;s words:</p>
<blockquote><p>In western thought, we often equate truth with good (both very subjective terms). Telling the truth is good. Lying is bad. We must always strive to reveal the truth. We have book and movies dedicated to heroes struggling to reveal the truth. Some of our (my) heroes fighting to reveal the truth include: Woodward and Bernstein, Galileo and hey, how about that Superman guy fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Seems pretty open and shut until you listen to a Karen Armstrong. Is it better to paint Islam as the religion of humility and peace or to [point to] Islam&#8217;s bloody roots and doctrines?</p></blockquote>
<div>Joel did not single out Islam but implicated all religions. He then listed other topics, beyond religion, where &#8220;truth&#8221; will get you into a world of hurt. For instance, race: What if we were to discover a truth that we would find just too apalling to entertain? We seem to need lies to maintain civilization. The problem, as Joel said,</p>
<blockquote><p>is of course the slippery slope. Who says what lies we should believe for the common good?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>The original &#8220;gadfly&#8221;: Socrates&#8217; negativity</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Socrates saw himself as &#8220;a gadfly to a horse&#8221;, where the horse was Athens&#8211;a &#8220;sluggish horse&#8221; in need of a bit of &#8220;stinging&#8221;. This the origin of our cliché. As we keep discovering in this thread on Socrates, the old man is still with us all the time, whether we are aware of it or [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2635&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Socrates saw himself as &#8220;a gadfly to a horse&#8221;, where the horse was Athens&#8211;a &#8220;sluggish horse&#8221; in need of a bit of &#8220;stinging&#8221;. This the origin of our cliché. As we keep discovering in this thread on <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>, the old man is still with us <em>all</em> the time, whether we are aware of it or not.</p>
<p>Socrates also liked to compare himself to a midwife. (Perhaps that metaphor came to him because his mother was a midwife.) What he meant by it was that, through his <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">dialectical questioning and conversation</a>, he &#8220;birthed&#8221; the thoughts that his conversation partners were already pregnant with. Put differently: He felt that he brought something out of people: he <em>led </em>(Latin <em>ducare) </em>something <em>out </em>(<em>ex</em>), ie <em>educated</em>.</p>
<p>But how did others see him?</p>
<p>Cicero, a few centuries later, said that Socrates practiced a &#8220;purely <em>negative</em> dialectic which refrains from pronouncing any positive judgment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hippias, one of the sophists (teachers) Socrates interrogated, said that &#8220;You mock at others, questioning and examining everybody, and never willing to render an account yourself or to state an opinion about anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meno, another conversation &#8220;partner&#8221;, tells Socrates that &#8220;You are extremely like the flat torpedo sea-fish; for it benumbs anyone who approaches and touches it&#8230; For in truth I feel my soul and my tongue quite benumbed.&#8221;</p>
<p>In short, it is hard to avoid concluding that Socrates left everybody feeling <em>bad</em>. If you were lucky, he merely belittled or embarrassed you; if you were unlucky, he exposed and humiliated you. He never made anybody feel confident or <em>good</em>. In our lingo, he left everybody <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  and nobody <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<h2>What if Socrates had talked to Patanjali?</h2>
<p>This is quite worth thinking about.</p>
<p>You recall that Patanjali was my nomination for the title of &#8220;<a href="/2009/02/01/greatest-thinker-ever-patanjali/">the world&#8217;s greatest thinker ever</a>&#8220;. He was the original sage of <a href="/2009/06/04/a-peek-inside-editing-at-the-economist/">Ashtanga</a> Yoga. Which is to say: Whereas the <a href="/2008/08/22/which-bhagavad-gita/">Bhagavad Gita</a> outlines Ashtanga Yoga (which it calls &#8220;Raja Yoga&#8221;: &#8220;regal union&#8221; or &#8220;kingly discipline&#8221;) in a narrative form, Patanjali was the first to analyze the &#8220;how to&#8221;, step by step.</p>
<p>As it happens, he had a lot to say about something that Socrates valued: <strong><em>truth</em></strong>, or <em>Satya</em> in Sanskrit. It is one of the <em>Yamas</em>, or ethical principles, that yogis must adhere to if they want to embark on the journey that leads to enlightenment. Don&#8217;t lie, in <em>Commandment</em> language, to others or yourself.</p>
<p>But Patanjali is more subtle than Socrates. Another of the <em>Yamas</em> is <em>Ahimsa</em>, non-violence: Don&#8217;t hurt people (others <em>or</em> yourself), physically or psychologically.</p>
<p>The subtlety lies in understanding that <em>Satya</em> and <em>Ahimsa</em>, truth and gentleness, often conflict. It may be true that you are ugly, but do I need to tell you that and hurt you? In Socrates&#8217; case, it may have been true that his interlocutors were, if not ignorant, at least far less wise than they pretended. But did he need to humiliate them publicly?</p>
<p>There was widespread consensus that his negativity helped the cause of truth only insofar as it tore down certain falsehoods. That&#8217;s a step forward! But Socrates did not then build on the rubble with a positive truth.</p>
<p>Patanjali might ask Socrates: What, sir, were you trying to accomplish by humiliating your opponents in your dialectic? Did you not forget your own distinction between <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/"><em>eristic</em> dialogue</a>, in which the parties try to <em>win</em>, and proper dialectic, which brings people closer together in the common search for truth?</p>
<p>Sometimes, in life and world history, one must be violent in the name of truth. Other times truth is not worth violence. There must be a higher purpose, a positive goal. Otherwise a gadfly is just another gnat that bites to feed on the blood of others.<br />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And so we continue this thread on Socrates, and the profound ways that he is still with us today. We&#8217;ve been looking at his ideas about conversations, good and bad, and his skepticism toward writing (as opposed to oral conversation). But what did this in fact lead to, in practical terms? It led to a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2622&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>And so we continue this thread on <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>, and the profound ways that he is still with us today.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been looking at his <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">ideas about <em>conversations</em>, good and bad</a>, and his <a href="/2009/06/19/the-spoken-and-the-written-word/">skepticism toward <em>writing</em> (as opposed to oral conversation</a>). But what did this in fact lead to, in practical terms?</p>
<p>It led to a weird, perambulatory kind of school, as Socrates walked around with various people, mostly younger, engrossed in conversation. This would ultimately get him in trouble, of course. But before it got him killed, it merely raised eyebrows.</p>
<p>Aristophanes, the greatest comedian of ancient Greece and Socrates&#8217; most cutting parodist, invented a word for this kind of purposeful and moderated conversation, in his play the <em>Clouds</em>: a <strong><em>thinkery</em></strong> (<em>phrontisterion).</em></p>
<p>A<em> think tank</em>, in other words.</p>
<p>Indeed, think tanks are among Socrates&#8217; legacies. His student Plato took over a grove dedicated to Athena, the goddess of wisdom, and founded his <em>Academy</em>, which lasted for three hundred years, throughout the entire <a href="/tag/Hellenism/">Hellenistic</a> era.</p>
<p>One of the people perambulating and thinking and conversing at that Academy was Aristotle, who eventually took over another grove, dedicated to Apollo, the god of wisdom (and other things), and also started a think tank, called the <em>Lyceum</em>.</p>
<p>In time, <em>Academy</em> and <em>Lyceum</em> became the roots for &#8220;school&#8221; in many languages, depending on whether the insitution leant toward Platonism or Aristotelianism. But the more direct descendants today might be the likes of Heritage, Cato and Tellus.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re getting ahead of ourselves. We need to start looking at whether Socrates actually practiced what he preached in his peculiar style of conversation. Stay tuned.<br />
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<p>So Socrates loved <em>good</em> conversations, which he called <em>dialectic</em>, and disdained <em>bad</em> conversations, which he called <em>eristic</em>, as I described in <a href="/2009/06/18/good-bad-conversations-recognize-eris/">the previous post</a> of this series on <a href="/tag/socrates/">Socrates</a>. But that actually opens up lots and lots of fascinating and difficult issues.</p>
<p>For instance: the relative value of the <em><strong>spoken</strong> and the <strong>written</strong> word. </em></p>
<p>Since I happen to write words for a living, I spend quite a bit of time pondering this, as you might imagine.</p>
<p>Socrates never wrote a single word. He did not believe in it. Why waste your time killing words (since to write them down was, to him, to kill them) when you could send them back and forth in intimate conversation such as the scene (with him on the left) above?</p>
<p>His student Plato was more schizophrenic on the point. He agreed with Socrates but also, obviously, felt that he should write things down to make them immortal, to reach more people, to make Socrates&#8217; wisdom &#8216;scalable&#8217; in our lingo. So he compromised, you see: He &#8220;wrote&#8221; by transcribing &#8230; conversations!</p>
<p>One generation on, and we get to Aristotle, who clearly did not agree at all, and wrote what we would consider genuine philosophical treatises. No qualms about the written word at all!</p>
<h2>Why did Socrates disdain the written word?</h2>
<p>He sort of tells us in one of his (ie, Plato&#8217;s) dialogues, the <em>Phaedrus</em>. He takes several shots:</p>
<ul>
<li>He tells a legend from Egypt, in which a god gives a king the gift of writing <em>as an aid to memory</em>. The king, however, observes that writing things down is likely to be a remedy for <em>reminding</em>, at the expense of <em>remembering</em>, and thus will lead to <em>less</em> wisdom, not more.</li>
<li>He then compares writing to paintings, which &#8220;remain most solemnly silent&#8221; whenever you question them, and just say the same thing over and over, stupidly and dumbly. People wise and ignorant alike will look at them and understand and misunderstand them. And they (the words/pictures) cannot talk back, defend themselves, explain themselves.</li>
</ul>
<p>So text has several problems, in Socrates&#8217; opinion:</p>
<ol>
<li>It is not a conversation, not dialectic, because it cannot go back and forth and climb toward something higher, such as a truth.</li>
<li>An author has no control over what idiots or assholes might read his text, whereas somebody in oral conversation does control with whom he speaks.</li>
<li>Words outside of their original context (ie the intention of the person using them, and the way a listener might hear them) can mean anything, and thus nothing at all.</li>
</ol>
<p>Ultimately, Socrates disdained writing for a subtler reason that unifies all these points: It&#8217;s just not what life is about!</p>
<p>Instead, life is about communing with others and discovering yourself and truths in conversation. Not about recording this or that, or propagating this or that. Socrates believed that you can&#8217;t find yourself when you write, only when you converse.</p>
<h2>Where does that leave us writers?</h2>
<p>In a tight spot, it would seem.</p>
<p>Then again, we have moved on 2,400 years, and few things are becoming clearer. Here is how I would converse with Socrates on the matter if he were to visit us <em>today</em>:</p>
<h3>The need for conversation&#8230;</h3>
<p>First, I would tell him that he is mostly right, even and especially for writers. Only a tiny part of &#8220;writing&#8221; consists of typing words&#8211;5%, if I had to guess. The other 95% consists of living, experiencing, interviewing, discussing, talking, reading what others have written, and so on. The ideas and stories that end up on pages don&#8217;t come out of nowhere. They still come out of conversations.</p>
<h3>&#8230; but also for order</h3>
<p>But writing, which should never <em>replace</em> conversation, has something to contribute: <em>order</em>. Real conversations&#8211;and Socrates&#8217; own dialogue with Phaedrus is a great example&#8211;run all over the place, like foals on a meadow. That&#8217;s the fun. But it can also be frustrating when you want structure and discipline about one particular issue. Writing can simply be a way of forcing yourself to structure the thoughts that came up in conversations.</p>
<h3>Why not written conversation?</h3>
<p>This is one bit that Socrates overlooked. You can converse in written form.</p>
<p>Some of the greatest conversations in history have been exchanges of letters. Just think of <a href="/2008/11/23/wit-voltaire-and-frederick-the-great/">Voltaire and Frederick the Great</a>.</p>
<p>Today there is a fascinating technological twist. In 400 BCE, it was impossible to imagine &#8216;place-shifting&#8217; (via <em>tele-phony, far-hearing</em>) or time-shifting conversations. But time-shifting is exactly what we do when we &#8230;. blog!. I write words, and those then turn into conversations in the comments below, or on other blogs that link to them. So the words are not dead at all. They <em>can</em> talk back. Writing <em>can</em> be conversation.</p>
<p>Indeed, by time-shifting the back-and-forth of a real conversation, the dialectic can become better. All of the people who talked to Socrates must have felt, a few hours later: &#8220;Doh! If only I had said&#8230;..&#8221; Well, now it&#8217;s possible to take a moment to think&#8211;without the distractions of, say, a famously ugly face such as Socrates&#8217;, or body odor, or wind, or sun&#8211;and then to come back with a clearer thought.</p>
<h2>The inevitability of context</h2>
<p>But Socrates was right on at least one point: The written word without context, as provided by conversation, is treacherous. Just take this notorious example, which we call the 2nd Amendment:</p>
<blockquote><p>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does that mean that <em>a</em> people has the right to keep an armed militia, or that every shmuck in the people individually has a right to bear everything from a pocket knife to nukes, whether there is a militia anywhere to be seen or not?</p>
<p>Socrates would find the author and &#8230; converse!<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[I ended the previous post, the first in this series on Socrates, by suggesting that we &#8220;count all the other ways in which Socrates, like Hannibal, is relevant to us, today.&#8221; So let&#8217;s start with perhaps the most important (if not the most famous) insight that Socrates gave us: the incredible importance of knowing good [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2562&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I ended the <a href="/2009/06/17/new-thread-socrates/">previous post</a>, the first in <a href="/tag/socrates/">this series on Socrates</a>, by suggesting that we &#8220;count all the other ways in which Socrates, like Hannibal, is relevant to <em>us, today</em>.&#8221; So let&#8217;s start with perhaps the most important (if not the most famous) insight that Socrates gave us: the incredible importance of knowing <em>good</em> from <em>bad</em> conversations. And for that, I need to introduce you to that strange lady above, whose named is Eris.</p>
<p>We spend much of our lives, and indeed many of our happiest moments, <em>conversing</em> with others. I love that word, which means <em>turning toward</em> each other. Good conversations make us human and whole, make us feel connected to others and bring us closer to the truth of something (or at least further from a fallacy).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we also spend at least as much time in <em>bad</em> conversations. You know them:</p>
<ul>
<li>bickering between husbands and wives</li>
<li>political &#8220;debates&#8221; on Fox, or indeed almost anywhere else.</li>
<li>Cross-examinations in courtrooms,</li>
<li>and on and on and on</li>
</ul>
<p>Those &#8220;conversations&#8221;, which are really a <em>turning away from </em>one another, do the opposite of what good conversations do: They leave us depleted, down, disconnected, alienated, sleazy, yucky.</p>
<p>What is the difference between the good and the bad conversations? Socrates told us, by giving us two new words:</p>
<ul>
<li>dialectic (=good), and</li>
<li>eristic (=bad)</li>
</ul>
<h2>Meet Eris, the Ur-Bitch</h2>
<p>So now it&#8217;s time for a story. It&#8217;s the most famous of the many stories about Eris, whose Roman name was Discordia.</p>
<p>Eris was the goddess of strife. Nobody liked her, so when the future parents of <a href="/2009/02/17/homeric-storytelling-1-wrath/">Achilles</a> had their wedding, everybody was invited <em>except </em>Eris. Eris fumed.</p>
<p>She knew what she was good at, and did it: She left a golden apple lying around the wedding party. It said &#8220;To the most beautiful&#8221;. How cunning, how feminine.</p>
<p>Three extremely beautiful goddesses, Hera, Athena and Aphrodite, immediately started bickering about who had rights to the apple. It was decided to appoint a judge, somebody sufficiently hapless, naive and male to be easily manipulated. They settled on Paris, a prince of Troy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Paris,&#8221; whispered Athena, &#8220;don&#8217;t you think I&#8217;m the most beautiful? I&#8217;m the goddess of wisdom, as you know, and I could be persuaded to make you the wisest man alive.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Choose me,&#8221; said Hera, &#8220;I&#8217;m the wife of Zeus and can make you the most powerful man in the whole world.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, Paris,&#8221; cooed Aphrodite with a tiny bat of her languorous eyelids. &#8220;You know who I am, don&#8217;t you? We all know that the apple is mine. Say so, and I will give you the most beautiful woman in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paris, with the priorities of the average teenager, chose Aphrodite. Athena and Hera were fuming. Hatred descended on the wedding party. And everybody knew that Paris was now to get Helen, the most beautiful of the mortal women.</p>
<p>The only problem: Helen was already married, to a Spartan who was the brother of the great king Agamemnon. Agamemnon and his Greeks would have to come after Paris and his Trojans to get Helen back. Ten years of bloody war followed. Eris had outdone herself.</p>
<h2>Eristic conversation</h2>
<p>So Socrates chooses to call bad conversations <strong><em>eristic</em></strong>. They are full of strife, because&#8211;and this is the key&#8211;they are conversations in which each side wants above all <strong><em>to win</em></strong>. Where there is a winner, there is usually a loser, so these conversations separate us.</p>
<p>The opposite was <strong><em>dialectic</em></strong>, whence our word <em>dialogue</em>, the Greek form of the Latin <em>conversation</em> (ie, turning toward). When you turn <em>toward</em> another, you are not trying to win, you are trying to find <strong><em>the truth</em></strong>. <em>That</em> is your motivation, and it is one you <em>share</em> with your conversation <em>partner</em> (as opposed to <em>opponent</em>). Everybody wins, as long as you climb higher through your conversing, toward more understanding or more communion.</p>
<h2>We today</h2>
<p>I mentioned in the previous post a series of serendipitous events recently. The first was an email from <a href="http://cheriblocksabraw.com/" target="_blank">Cheri Block Sabraw</a>, a writing teacher and reader of <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, that pointed me <a href="http://www.stjohnscollege.edu/about/dialogue.shtml" target="_blank">to this essay, &#8220;Notes on Dialogue&#8221;</a>, by a great intellect named Stringfellow Barr.</p>
<p>Written in 1968, it might as well have been penned today, as Barr describes eristic and dialectic conversation in our own world:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a pathos in television dialogue: the rapid exchange of monologues that fail to find the issue, like ships passing in the night; the reiterated preface, &#8220;I think that . . .,&#8221; as if it mattered who held which opinion rather than which opinion is worth holding; the impressive personal vanity that prevents each &#8220;discussant&#8221; from really listening to another speaker and that compels him to use this God-given pause to compose his own next monologue&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Expressing the Socratic ideal, Barr says that</p>
<blockquote><p>We yearn, not always consciously, to commune with other persons, to learn with them by <strong>joint search</strong>,</p></blockquote>
<p>and that</p>
<blockquote><p>the most relevant sort of dialogue, though perhaps the most difficult, for twentieth century men to achieve and especially for Americans to achieve is the <strong>Socratic</strong>&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>What makes good (Socratic) conversations good? They have a completely different dynamic than bad conversations. They tend to be</p>
<ul>
<li>poor in long-winded declarations and rich in short, pithy back-and-forth,</li>
<li>egalitarian in that it does not matter <em>who</em> says what but <em>what</em> is said (even though this does not mean &#8220;equal time&#8221; for any nonsense)</li>
<li>spontaneous, in that they follow wherever the argument leads, even and especially to surprising destinations,</li>
<li>playful, and indeed humorous, for that is what makes &#8220;serious&#8221; investigation possible and sublime.</li>
</ul>
<p>In short, this sort of conversation is what <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> is about, with the amazing input by all of you in the comments that make each topic come alive. If <em>The Hannibal Blog</em> is against anything, it is Eris and her spawn.</p>
<p>And so I leave you with just one famous instance when two fakers were called to account and told  just what sort of &#8220;conversation&#8221; they dealt in:</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hannibal Blog is kicking off yet another series, this one on Socrates. You&#8217;ve encountered Socrates before on this blog, as when he represented the &#8220;left leg&#8221; in this body metaphor of the Western tradition, or when discussing irony. He came up only indirectly, via Plato, in my series on the world&#8217;s greatest thinkers, of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=2558&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p><em>The Hannibal Blog</em> is kicking off yet another series, this one on Socrates.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve encountered Socrates before on this blog, as when he represented the &#8220;left leg&#8221; <a href="/2008/07/31/the-body-literally-of-the-western-tradition/">in this body metaphor</a> of the Western tradition, or when discussing <a href="/2008/12/09/socratic-irony/">irony</a>. He came up only indirectly, <a href="/2009/01/22/must-great-thinkers-be-right/">via Plato</a>, in my series on <a href="/tag/greatest-thinker/">the world&#8217;s greatest thinkers</a>, of which he is of course one.</p>
<p>So why now an entire series? Because he deserves it. And because of an oddly serendipitous string of events:</p>
<ol>
<li>I have been thinking for a while about writing my second book about a theme illustrated by Socrates, rather as the theme of success/failure is illustrated by Hannibal in <a href="/about-the-book/">my first book</a>&#8211;even though it&#8217;s not even out yet.</li>
<li>Even though I haven&#8217;t told anybody about this, several people, indeed several readers of <em>The Hannibal Blog</em>, have been sending me ideas and links and recommendations that have to do with Socrates. (More about those soon.)</li>
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<p>Hannibal embodies more than one theme in our lives, although any good story needs <em>one</em> theme for focus, with the others appearing along the way.</p>
<p>For Socrates, too, I have <em>one</em> theme in our lives in mind. But it&#8217;s way, way too early to get into that. For the rest of this blog thread, let&#8217;s just start counting all the other ways in which Socrates, like Hannibal, is relevant to <em>us, today</em>. There are so many.<br />
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		<title>Socratic irony</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Kluth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somewhat unexpectedly, the topic of irony is becoming a subsidiary thread in the Hannibal Blog. It started here, continued here and, I&#8217;m sure, will continue even more. You recall that my definition of irony is &#8220;the savoring of contradictions in life and people (others and yourself) and of turns of phrase that are slightly and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=863&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Somewhat unexpectedly, the topic of <em>irony</em> is becoming a subsidiary thread in the Hannibal Blog. It started <a href="/2008/08/17/on-irony/">here</a>, continued <a href="/2008/11/23/back-to-irony/">here</a> and, I&#8217;m sure, will continue <a href="/tag/irony/">even more</a>. You recall that my definition of irony is &#8220;the savoring of contradictions in life and people (others and yourself) and of turns of phrase that are slightly and adroitly off-key and thus meaningfully surprising.&#8221; This wording found approval, at a minimum, by <a href="/2008/11/23/back-to-irony/#comment-412">Cheri</a>.</p>
<p>Suddenly, however, I find the plot thickening. Robert Bartlett, a professor at Emory University who teaches <a href="http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDescLong2.aspx?cid=4460" target="_blank">this course</a> on the three greatest Greek thinkers, informs me that</p>
<blockquote><p>Irony in its original Socratic sense, in Greek <em>eironeia</em>, is really pretty different. In brief, it&#8217;s <strong>the habit of concealing one&#8217;s superiority</strong>. Aristotle, in the <em>Ethics</em>, lists irony as a vice, though he says it&#8217;s a <strong>vice characteristic of those who are refined</strong>.</p>
<p>Why refined? Because if irony is a vice opposed to the virtue of truthfulness, it is <strong>a kind of deceit</strong>. It is also much better or more attractive than the vice of boasting, of claiming to be more than you are. <strong>The ironic person claims to be less than he is</strong>, and in particular to be <strong>less wise</strong>. Aristotle, by the way, gives only one example of the ironic person: Socrates.</p>
<p>Socrates is famous, then, for his irony, for his kind of <strong>graceful concealment of his wisdom</strong>; he&#8217;s not a boaster, in this sense. This means that Plato chose as his spokesman, or at least as the central character in almost all the dialogues, an ironist, <strong>somebody who&#8217;s not altogether frank</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is, of course, very different than my definition of irony. Then again, as I think about it, the genealogy does show up even in the modern phenotype. Which means: For those of us today who appreciate irony, it may  be worth remembering what the Athenians did to Socrates, and what many societies would like to do to ironists. Sarah Palin might claim afterwards that she mistook me for a moose. Put differently, here is the great man as the hemlock does its lethal work:</p>
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		<title>The &#8220;body&#8221; (literally) of the Western Tradition</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I ranted on behalf of the classics; today I&#8217;m following up with the single most beautiful metaphor I have ever heard to explain&#8211;really, really explain&#8211;the Western tradition, our tradition. It just so happens that this metaphor is another powerful reason, should any of you still need one, to get off our butts and go [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=andreaskluth.org&#038;blog=4256403&#038;post=85&#038;subd=andreaskluth&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I <a href="/2008/07/30/why-tell-stories-that-are-really-old/" target="_blank">ranted</a> on behalf of the classics; today I&#8217;m following up with the single most beautiful metaphor I have ever heard to explain&#8211;really, really explain&#8211;the Western tradition, <em>our</em> tradition. It just so happens that this metaphor is another powerful reason, should any of you still need one, to get off our butts and go back to the old stories from Greece and Rome.</p>
<p>It comes from <a href="http://www.teach12.com/store/professor.asp?ID=93" target="_blank">Professor Phillip Cary</a>, and in particular from Lecture 13 in this course on the <a href="http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=470" target="_blank">Western Intellectual Tradition</a>.</p>
<p>Professor Cary wants to give us an &#8220;image that will help conceptualize the whole shape of the Western tradition.&#8221; That image is a body, which has a left leg, a right leg, a torso where the two legs come together, a left arm, a right arm, and a neck and head on top. Any old body, in other words. <em>Your</em> body.</p>
<p>The right leg, he suggests, is the Bible, religion, the Judeo-Christian tradition, Jerusalem, Moses, Job, Jesus. We live in a right-handed and right-footed culture, so this is a <em>strong</em> leg. It&#8217;s also, he suggests tongue-in-cheek, the leg that right-leaning types in our tradition tend to stand on. It is the conservative leg, the leg that gives quick and certain answers, not the one that asks difficult questions.</p>
<p>The left leg is Athens and Rome, the classics, Socrates, philosophy and enquiry. It tends to be the leg that intellectuals stand on, people who prefer to ask probing and embarrassing questions (as Socrates did). But it&#8217;s not purely intellectual. It&#8217;s also sensual and mythological. Hannibal, Fabius and Scipio are part of it.</p>
<p>The two legs are joined, of course, in the crotch. If you had to give the crotch a year, it would be 313 AD, when the Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christianity, thus formally bringing together the two traditions, biblical and classical. The crotch, of course, is a) phenomenally fertile and b) embarrassing and awkward for most people. So has been that union in our tradition ever since.</p>
<p>The torso is the Middle Ages. That&#8217;s when the two traditions were thoroughly blended and mixed in our monasteries and palaces.</p>
<p>The right arm sticking out from the top of the torso is the Reformation, Luther and Calvin, the yearning to go back to a purer form of the right side, back to the right leg, the Bible.</p>
<p>The left arm sticking out is the Renaissance, the simultaneous yearning to rediscover the classics, the wisdom of Greece and Rome, their beauty, art, philosophy&#8211;and their stories.</p>
<p>On top is the neck, the Enlightenment, which supports the head, Modernity.</p>
<p>So there we are: the head, looking down for self-knowledge, all the way to our toes. Would anybody volunteer to cut off his or her left leg and either topple over or hop around crippled? Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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